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Politics, politics, politics

Just on the 'Independent' Group's failure to form a political party, it's a bit like two people fudging behind their spouse's back, both have betrayed a partner and you just know that there will always be mutual distrust. Can you imagine them looking at each other across the table, what trust could there ever be?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Just on the 'Independent' Group's failure to form a political party, it's a bit like two people fudging behind their spouse's back, both have betrayed a partner and you just know that there will always be mutual distrust. Can you imagine them looking at each other across the table, what trust could there ever be?
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Do you feel Corbyns been betrayed?
 
Grays_1890 said:
Do you feel Corbyns been betrayed?
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No the Labour voters who put those sell outs in office have been betrayed. They were happy to run as endorsed Labour candidates in the last election, they were happy to accept Labour party funding and Labour volunteers canvassing for them, they were happy to endorse the manifesto then! But are these 'principled conviction' based politicians prepared to put these convictions to the test? No, there is no way they will resign and do the honourable thing. Seven opportunists, most of whom will not re contest. They will keep their bums warm on H of C leather and then look for more agreeable seats to run in.
 
scaramanga said:
Because politics (for all but you, it seems) isn't and shouldn't be tribal. If the current government put out a set of policies that aligned with Labour's ideals then Labour should support those policies.

The end result is not to gain power but to implement the change one wants to see. Power is a vehicle by which that change can be forced, but not the only one.
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Agreed.
And I think we have spent twenty years where the opposition focus was to win, not to govern.

Any decent governance plan will bring down this Tory govt.
I think there is a public appetite for good governance.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
No the Labour voters who put those sell outs in office have been betrayed. They were happy to run as endorsed Labour candidates in the last election, they were happy to accept Labour party funding and Labour volunteers canvassing for them, they were happy to endorse the manifesto then! But are these 'principled conviction' based politicians prepared to put these convictions to the test? No, there is no way they will resign and do the honourable thing. Seven opportunists, most of whom will not re contest. They will keep their bums warm on H of C leather and then look for more agreeable seats to run in.
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IS there no way they could have seen how Corbyn acted over Brexit and his lack of acknowledgment of AS problems in the party over the last few months and thought to themselves enough is enough?

My old man is a staunch Labour man and he can't vote for the guy at the moment
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
You talk crap, but I don't hate you. :)
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Butting in!
I don't "HATE" Jeremy or anybody else for that matter.
Hate is used about by many who should think before they use it.

We mock Mr C. nastily on occasions but I don't hate him.
I can't take him seriously as a party leader though
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
So if Corbyn is as impotent as you claim, why do you denounce him with such ferocity? Clearly there is a serious disconnect here. You are not alone, when he gained the leadership some described him as a joke. If he was a joke why the visceral hatred?
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I measure my hatred of politicians by how much I dislike their politics, not their effectiveness. Otherwise I'd love all of the current lot at they're entirely ineffective.
 
Grays_1890 said:
IS there no way they could have seen how Corbyn acted over Brexit and his lack of acknowledgment of AS problems in the party over the last few months and thought to themselves enough is enough?

My old man is a staunch Labour man and he can't vote for the guy at the moment
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Unless he is in Corbyn's seat, he wont be.
 
Grays_1890 said:
IS there no way they could have seen how Corbyn acted over Brexit and his lack of acknowledgment of AS problems in the party over the last few months and thought to themselves enough is enough?

My old man is a staunch Labour man and he can't vote for the guy at the moment
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He has acknowledged it, i have listened to speeches where has rejected it and denounced it.
 
Grays_1890 said:
IS there no way they could have seen how Corbyn acted over Brexit and his lack of acknowledgment of AS problems in the party over the last few months and thought to themselves enough is enough?

My old man is a staunch Labour man and he can't vote for the guy at the moment
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What does anything you have written have to do with the obvious hypocrisy of the Sell Out Seven?
 
Well Well Well, BBC at one reports directly from Honda who wereon the programme, closing the plant is nothing to do with Brexit.......ahem
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Don't say that, it makes you anti Semitic don't you know.
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Corbyns just totally slap dash on the whole thing, his reaction to the wall painting in London was jus ridiculous and his excuse was "I should have looked closer", basically meaning he could not be bothered in the first place because he has no time for the Jewish. Its that lack of attention to detail which makes the whelk unfit for PM
 
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