why were the jews persecuting your Great Great grandmother?
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SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Isn’t Judaism passed through the female line? So if she had a daughter who had a daughter who had you...you’d be Jewish. In a similar way I think David Beckham is ‘jewish’ [emoji23]
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SpurMeUp
Les Howe
I didn’t see that. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-47289315
But I think you may be in denial if you think Brexit won’t affect jobs. Are you able to step back and look at things objectively?
I am happy to hold my hands up if Brexit is a great success. Would love to see the UK independent and agile (but I currently believe it will suffer and not gain a lot). Are you able to hold your hands up if Brexit is not working out or being delivered as advertised?
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Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Yeh of course I will, but its not happened yet so hardly able to do that now.
I am not in denial, I just won't have people state that certain situations are caused by something when they are not. Honda being a case of this as the CEO himself came out to say it was nothing to do with Brexit.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0c3b5qv/bbc-news-at-one-19022019
Don't blame Brexit says Honda
Don't blame Brexit says Honda
parklane1
Tony Galvin
You know they are several who will though, they only read the headlines which push their agenda.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I felt sorry for Honda bike man, filmed after being wound up by reporter on Brexit and giving it full felt about Brexit losing him his job, 3 hours later company reports otherwise. Terrible reporting
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
You linked to a Reuters article that didn’t quote the CEO at all and then referenced it on the BBC, but that did not have that quote either!
Of course it’s not ‘just brexit’ there are a number of factors, but the timing suggests it has something to do with Brexit.
The key thing is the UK couldn’t fight its corner after Article 50, when the EU made this new trade deal whereby Japan can ship cars to the EU tariff free in 7 years time. Then the uncertainty of a hard exit. Both Brexit related factors directly linked to these job loses. Of course Honda doesn’t want to alienate anyone so will not focus on Brexit itself. But look and you can see what has occurred.
I hope Brexit is a success or that something positive comes out of it. So far I can’t see the logic for it. When/ will the good Brexit news start?
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Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Did you watch the whole BBC article? Its down to electric car manufacturing, quote from the SVP for Europe and the CEO has said its not brexit related.
HONDA does not sell enough cars in Europe full stop for then to justify the factories and workforce when they are seeing sales in North America and China grow.
I am not sat here with head in sand over companies closing due to Brexit but you cant pick the ones that have nothing to do with it aand claim it is, especially when senior management say its not.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
A good opportunity to nationalise the car plant and start making some British owned cars again?
ringo
Tim Sherwood
On Honda - whether or not the decision is Brexit related it doesn't serve Honda's interests to tinkle the UK govn off by saying so at this particularly sensitive (re Brexit) moment.
It's not the Japanese way.
But given Japan's trade deal with the EU, plus Japanese auto making it clear they wanted us in the customs union/free movement of goods with EU, and state of Brexit negotiations, it would be foolish to suggest Brexit played no role at all in decision.
It's not the Japanese way.
But given Japan's trade deal with the EU, plus Japanese auto making it clear they wanted us in the customs union/free movement of goods with EU, and state of Brexit negotiations, it would be foolish to suggest Brexit played no role at all in decision.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Well I will be foolish when listening to the CEO and SVP of Honda over yourself, you would be telling me to get real had he said it was Brexit and had I tried to come up with some theories to why it wasnt and that it was untrue.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
Re Shamima -- having already let 100s of people back (apparently) decision to revoke looks like knee jerk response to public sentiment and worrying (from a legal perspective) precedent. Unless she is dual national. [he should change law and then apply it]. Maybe more for show and will get overturned through appeals.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
Come on, you don't think I know better than the CEO..what does he know about his own company.
StephenH
David Ginola
Seedy Ron
Jimmy Neighbour
Could call it The Farage. "Put a Farage in your garage" - marketing writes itself, even if the double entendre makes you physically sick. GB would buy 10.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
So we have just made someone stateless.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Yeh, fair play goverments done something with abit of back bone there, interesting to see how it pans out.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Okay. Consider this: Honda Swindon produce around 160,000 cars a year. Its half what it was in the good times. A Honda Civic is about £18k. If you do the maths that is many many millions in revenue. Of that 160,000 cars most go to Europe. Some to the US, a few are sold here. Honda would not give up the millions that they are making on this (comparatively small) production. They would have kept things going were it not for (at least) two things. First and foremost, a new EU free trade deal the UK had no say over which means they can export cars from Japan to Europe. Before there was a 10% tax or tariff and that's why Japanese car firms made cars in the UK - to service Europe. Now they don't have to. That is the big piece here. When the CEO gives this bad news its not technically because of Brexit, it because their trade terms have changed. But had we been party to this trade deal, we would not have given up thousands of UK jobs lightly.
Add on top of that that Honda need to plan for electric production lines, and the uncertainty of Brexit (will there be a hard exit disrupting supplies? see Honda's position on Brexit and the same guys quotes a year before https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45558424 ) Its a no brainer for the Japanese. Had the UK been in the EU we would not have given up these Japanese car jobs so easily as we'd have been at the trade negotiations. However, in return the EU will be able to sell billions worth of goods to Japan that have been stopped with tariffs on their end. It is estimated that the UK benefit from the free trade agreement with Japan is £3b+ each year in new trade. Outside the EU of course we won't get that. But we can make our own agreement with Japan if they'll listen and talk. It took the EU 4 years to do this deal.
Honda senior management will have been planning this with their PR departments for sometime. Planning what they say, planning how not to damage their brand and standing in the UK. Of course they are not going to be divisive and alienate people by blaming the UK. What a stupid move that would be. Draw your own conclusions. But at least consider some of the details.
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