Politics, politics, politics

[scaramanga]

Disagree with that, I think more then ever there are a lot of voters out there who have not made their minds up. The choice of all parties is poor and Cameron bottling out of a proper debate will not encourage a lot of the undecided.

You're right, there are huge numbers of undecided voters. None of them are interested in the debates though - hell, I'm into politics and I'm not even interested.

 

[parklane1]

You're right, there are huge numbers of undecided voters. None of them are interested in the debates though - hell, I'm into politics and I'm not even interested.

Even if they do not/did not want to see the debate the fact that the leader of the country bottled out will not have done him any favours.

 

[scaramanga]

I disagree, I think there are huge swathes of undecided voters in this election, perhaps more than there has ever been. It sounds like most of the voters you speak to don't fall in to the 'undecided' category, in which case it's unlikely anything would change their vote.

I also happen to live in a marginal seat which makes me consider my vote more, I imagine you're in a position like my parents where the Tory incumbent could be photographed with a crack pipe at a gay orgy and still get re-elected.

You're right - you or I could walk in wearing a blue rosette and we'd immediately be favourites.

As for the undecided voters, I really haven't heard much at all to suggest they're interested in the debates. As you said, there may be some movement between the minor parties - that's where Cameron stands to win or lose the most by picking and choosing which ones he helps.

 

[scaramanga]

Even if they do not/did not want to see the debate the fact that the leader of the country bottled out will not have done him any favours.

It's only really Labour and their types who've labelled it bottling. Those who listen to them wouldn't be swayed by anything Cameron said or did.

Much of the media has portrayed him as stubborn instead (not a bad trait for a PM).

 

[parklane1]

It's only really Labour and their types who've labelled it bottling. Those who listen to them wouldn't be swayed by anything Cameron said or did.

Much of the media has portrayed him as stubborn instead (not a bad trait for a PM).

I have no allegiance to any party and never have you obviously wear blue, its very hard for anyone to look at this with a unbiased eye that are dyed in the wool and have already made up their mind no matter what.

Does that describe you at all?

 

[Richie]

You're right, there are huge numbers of undecided voters. None of them are interested in the debates though - hell, I'm into politics and I'm not even interested.

I'm in to politics and the reason I'm not interested is down to Cameron. If Ofcom had their way I would have very keenly watched the Cameron/Milliband, Cameron/Clegg/Milliband and Cameron/Clegg/Milliband/Farage debates. I'd even have been fine with including the Greens in that last one as a 5-way debate, but sadly Cameron stomped his feet and we got a couple of interviews tonight and a 7-way farce in a week which I will probably watch only if there's nothing better on.

They should have held the last 2 debates and empty chaired Cameron if he didn't turn up. Broadcasters needed some backbone and they capitulated.

 

[scaramanga]

I have no allegiance to any party and never have you obviously wear blue, its very hard for anyone to look at this with a unbiased eye that are dyed in the wool and have already made up their mind no matter what.

Does that describe you at all?

I don't have any allegiance to the Conservatives, they're just the only party that currently isn't going to be both dangerous and disastrous for this country.

I think some people forget how long it's been since we've had a proper left-leaning government. Because we had a "Labour" government under Blair people think they're safe but we both know that's not the autist's idea of a Labour government.

If you were alive in the mid to late 70s then think back. If not, it doesn't take much research to know what a thoroughly awful time it was for everyone except the lazy, greedy union leaders. Oh, and rats. It was a great time for rats and maggots.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Both lack personality. We need a leader who is fit to represent us on the world stage, these 2 don't inspire me at all in that sense.

And Burley took it easy on Cameron and went in at Ed much more.

Paxman battered Cameron and I feel Ed did ok against him.

Neither really seemed to know what their policies were going to be, which is scary as fek.

 

[parklane1]

I don't have any allegiance to the Conservatives, they're just the only party that currently isn't going to be both dangerous and disastrous for this country.

I think some people forget how long it's been since we've had a proper left-leaning government. Because we had a "Labour" government under Blair people think they're safe but we both know that's not the autist's idea of a Labour government.

If you were alive in the mid to late 70s then think back. If not, it doesn't take much research to know what a thoroughly awful time it was for everyone except the lazy, greedy union leaders. Oh, and rats. It was a great time for rats and maggots.

Well for someone who has no allegiance to the blues you seem to have a strong view on the alternatives, however I will take your word for it. As for being around in the 70's? yes I was and the decade before that and as you say it was another time. However like it or not there were leaders and politicians around who had a strong belief in the country and well being of the people who lived in it, I see little of that now from the self serving, smarmy leaders in todays politics.

 

[scaramanga]

Well for someone who has no allegiance to the blues you seem to have a strong view on the alternatives, however I will take your word for it. As for being around in the 70's? yes I was and the decade before that and as you say it was another time. However like it or not there were leaders and politicians around who had a strong belief in the country and well being of the people who lived in it, I see little of that now from the self serving, smarmy leaders in todays politics.

My strong views are formed from having an understanding of economics and a desire to avoid the country going to brick. I have no love for the party - if a single other party displayed any evidence of an understanding of economics I'd consider voting for them.

I agree that politics is currently self-serving and smarmy, but caring for us in the 70s did nobody any good and ruined the country. I'll put up with the likes of Cameron all day long if he's the only alternative to undoing all the good work that was done in the 80s.

 

[NWND]

Both lack personality. We need a leader who is fit to represent us on the world stage, these 2 don't inspire me at all in that sense.

And Burley took it easy on Cameron and went in at Ed much more.

Paxman battered Cameron and I feel Ed did ok against him.

Neither really seemed to know what their policies were going to be, which is scary as fek.

I've never voted conservative in my life, but you have to say Cameron has done well at representing us on the world stage overall. He has mostly come across well during significant world events while he's been in power and I think generally he comes across as more forceful, stronger and better prepared than Milliband when up against it with the press rather than in pre-staged events like PMQ's and televised debates etc

 

[NWND]

My strong views are formed from having an understanding of economics and a desire to avoid the country going to crud. I have no love for the party - if a single other party displayed any evidence of an understanding of economics I'd consider voting for them.

I agree that politics is currently self-serving and smarmy, but caring for us in the 70s did nobody any good and ruined the country. I'll put up with the likes of Cameron all day long if he's the only alternative to undoing all the good work that was done in the 80s.

I think it's fairly typical nonsense to suggest that everything was better back in the day. They're only just uncovering covered up paedophile rings, abuse, corruption from the 70's and 80's in the houses of parliament. I watched a program where some female civil servants said they were constantly abused and touched up during the 70's in the houses of parliament and other government buildings, but it was just accepted as the norm, as that was part of working in that environment that they all accepted.

Yeah, sounds a lot better than today's politicians....blimey!

 

[parklane1]

My strong views are formed from having an understanding of economics and a desire to avoid the country going to crud. I have no love for the party - if a single other party displayed any evidence of an understanding of economics I'd consider voting for them.

I agree that politics is currently self-serving and smarmy, but caring for us in the 70s did nobody any good and ruined the country. I'll put up with the likes of Cameron all day long if he's the only alternative to undoing all the good work that was done in the 80s.

Well we will have to disagree, especially over the bitch Thatcher.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I think it's fairly typical nonsense to suggest that everything was better back in the day. They're only just uncovering covered up paedophile rings, abuse, corruption from the 70's and 80's in the houses of parliament. I watched a program where some female civil servants said they were constantly abused and touched up during the 70's in the houses of parliament and other government buildings, but it was just accepted as the norm, as that was part of working in that environment that they all accepted.

Yeah, sounds a lot better than today's politicians....blimey!

Agreed.

Also though I might be on the right of the political spectrum I have to say I think political correctness was a good thing that has brought us along into a more balanced and civilised society. It may have gone to far with the whole a bin man is not a bin man but a refuse collector thing. But I prefer to live in a country where we are all more or less equal and the increase in awareness for especially disabled rights is something to be proud of.

This is not a joke I have always felt the disabled are not treated well enough and that was even more true back in the 80's.

 

[THFC]

I can see why the Cons are treading so carefully now, a coupke of times last night I heard the audience gasp at the way Paxman question Ed, and it was the sympathy that Ed got which surprised me at points, its clear that the Cons donw want to see Red Ed swept away and get the huge sympathy vote just to get one over the bully boys.

 

[monkeybarry]

I'm interested in the debates as they take the politicians out of their comfort zone to a certain degree, which tells us ( or reaffirms) so things about there character

We might even find out if Labor have any policies

 

[monkeybarry]

Does anyone else think Ed will get sympathy fromThurs?

It made me pity him, but not sympathy. And certainly didn't make me want to vote for him.

 

[THFC]

From your answer it shows, if you pity him then I dont see why it won't end up with the cons being demonised with enough exposure with certain voters. All he had to do is show he is not as bad as people say he is and he can pick up votes

 

[monkeybarry]

My pity is based on how he looked like he was going to cry all through the pacman interview and clearly devoid of any policies

The only time he showed any strength was in response to not allowing an EU referendum. He showed great conviction, which is also incredibly arrogant as there is clearly a large public desire for a referendum. Might want to remember his job as PM would to be representative of the electorate

 

[scaramanga]

My pity is based on how he looked like he was going to cry all through the pacman interview and clearly devoid of any policies

The only time he showed any strength was in response to not allowing an EU referendum. He showed great conviction, which is also incredibly arrogant as there is clearly a large public desire for a referendum. Might want to remember his job as PM would to be representative of the electorate

I think you'll find that he's b1tch to the unions and the unions only. The rest of us can go fudge ourselves.