monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Serious question for anyone thinking of voting for Labour
On what basis do they get your vote ( other than they are not the Tories)
On what basis do they get your vote ( other than they are not the Tories)
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Politics, politics, politics
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I'm leaning towards voting for them (though putting 'none of the above' on my ballot remains favourite) due to them scrapping the bedroom tax (a policy that may affect me in the future). Also, I would trust them a bit more to only cut what was necessary, rather than 'slash n burn' state enterprises out of ideology (and mask this with economic necessity). An end to 'austerity max' if you will. What the Tories may do with another 5 years concerns me, in this regard.
They want to raise the minimum wage a bit more than it would rise otherwise, which is something I can get behind. Likewise taxes for homes worth more than £2million quid and using that money for the NHS. They have said they will pause Universal Credit and review its viability (I think it's a load of sh1t and they'll quietly scrap it).
Also, this on the NHS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29642613
Labour would commit an extra £2.5bn a year above Mr Osborne's plan. The money will come from three sources - a new "mansion" tax, clamping down on tax avoidance by big corporations and a new tax on tobacco companies. Patients in England would get a GP appointment within 48 hours and would not have to wait longer than a week for cancer tests and results. Scrap the Health and Social Care Act and end "creeping privatisation" of the NHS. Integrate health and social care services into a system of "whole-person care". Give greater priority to mental health services. Replace the Cancer Drugs Fund in England when it runs out in 2016 with a £330m fund to improve access to innovative cancer drugs, surgery and radiotherapy. Recruit 5,000 more healthcare workers to help patients stay in their homes and introduce new safety checks to identify people at risk of hospitalisation. Prioritise child mental health by increasing the proportion of the mental health budget spent on children.
But, in a nutshell, I'd trust them more to take care of public services and look after the low paid.
I don't think last election is the best example as it as abnormal as it was so close. I suppose this election is limbering up to be the same, so it maybe that politics in this country has fundamentally changed, but 'traditionally', the governing party is 'unpopular' until election day when there is a swing back in heir favour (to an extent).
Yes, I think the last election is the one to look at for the reason you say -- that this election too will probably fail to deliver a 'traditional' result (a majority government). This time, sub out 'Cleggmania' for the rise of the SNP and, to some extent, UKIP.
It's a very interesting election (if you like that sort of thing!)
And, just like that, we have a ComRes poll for the Daily Mail
36% Conservatives (+1)
32% Labour (-3)
12% Ukip (+2)
9% Liberal Democrats (+1)
5% Green (-2)
7% Others (+1)
Weekend papers will have been singing Miliband praises, now it'll be Cameron leading the charge.
It's just neck and neck, and I think it will be right up to polling day.
36% Conservatives (+1)
32% Labour (-3)
12% Ukip (+2)
9% Liberal Democrats (+1)
5% Green (-2)
7% Others (+1)
Weekend papers will have been singing Miliband praises, now it'll be Cameron leading the charge.
It's just neck and neck, and I think it will be right up to polling day.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Not one of the established and credentialed polling companies.
The thing about the polls as well is that they don't fully take into account things like concentration of vote, e.g. UKIP predicted to have almost double the percentage of votes in some polls than the Lib Dems, but as the Lib Dem vote is predicted to be concentrated in certain areas of the country, they are predicted to translate their vote into a significant number of seats, whereas I think UKIP are predicted to win 2 or 3 seats. The polls don't take fully into account Labour's predicted demolition in Scotland at the hands of the SNP, but also the predicted loss of conservative votes to UKIP in particularly marginal seats.
johnola
Jermaine Jenas
I like workers unions.
I dont like lazy arsed scrounger types.
I like meritocracy.
I don't like old boy networks.
I like our political unions (Uk and EU)
I dont like the lack of democracy accorded an englishman in those unions
But mostly, i dont like to encourage politicians.
I dont like lazy arsed scrounger types.
I like meritocracy.
I don't like old boy networks.
I like our political unions (Uk and EU)
I dont like the lack of democracy accorded an englishman in those unions
But mostly, i dont like to encourage politicians.
How does a worker's union distinguish itself from an old boys' network?
As someone who is a part of neither they look very similar - the only difference being that a worker's union takes subs whereas in an old boys' network the subs go from the parents to the school.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
One is a formal organisation recognised in law and developed to further worker's pay and conditions through work place action. The other is a sleazy 'club' designed to plot dodgy financial deals and paedophilic assignations.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Sadly, that is the definition of what a union is supposed to be, not a description of what they are ( maybe not all of them, but certainly the ones with national power)
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Which ones have 'national' power? The unions have been emasculated in most respects. What about the old boy's networks?
Just because unions were mistakenly made legal a really long time ago (in tune with your post, so was paedophilia BTW) it doesn't make them right then and it certainly doesn't make them right now. The only reason any are still around is plain old bullying mixed with no small measure of extortion.
As for plotting dodgy financial deals, I don't believe you could have found a more apt description for the phenomenon of uneducated yobs earning more to drive tubes ("drive" is a bit of a stretch but I'm feeling generous) than newly qualified accountants or lawyers.
Regarding the last accusation, are there any old boys' clubs that have done that? If so, could you please list them? Thanks.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
No denial about the dodgy deals line I see.
Thinking Dolphin Square there Scara. Plenty of Old Boy's in that shower I'll bet.
Of course not. People will always use their contacts to further their business interests and people will always want to work, and place their money, with people they can trust. Friends and friends of friends will always be more trustworthy in that sense.No denial about the dodgy deals line I see.
As for Dolphin Square, that's anything but an old boys' club. I'll have to tread carefully here, but there have been allegations (obv not from me) of collusion from the police - that can't be an old boys' club because the police would never be invited to such a thing. Even the "officers" in the police force aren't "officer class".
There may have been some misuse of power and there may have been a mistaken assumption that silence is for the good of the country but it's far from an old boys' club.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
They would all be Masons surely? That alone would count senior ranks of the police in.
Possibly.
I have no more time for masons than you do. A good friend from years back is one now (he won't admit it but it's pretty clear) and I can't say it's something I like at all.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
[QUOwaszeantoe, post: 683983, member: 319"]Which ones have 'national' power? The unions have been emasculated in most respects. What about the old boy's networks? [/QUOTE]
I was thinkiing of the likes of
the RMT (national power - bit of a Freudian slip on my part!!) that hold ((certain areas ;-) ) of the country to ransom every time someone says no.
They belittle any good work any genuine unions do.
As far as the old boys network goes - it is the epitomy of why I disillusioned by politics, government and society at present.
Just need to decide whether to fight it orleave it
[/QUOTE]I was thinkiing of the likes of
the RMT (national power - bit of a Freudian slip on my part!!) that hold ((certain areas ;-) ) of the country to ransom every time someone says no.
They belittle any good work any genuine unions do.
As far as the old boys network goes - it is the epitomy of why I disillusioned by politics, government and society at present.
Just need to decide whether to fight it orleave it
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
[QUdon't thinkE="AuroRaman, post: 684013, member: 818"]I genuinely don't have a fudging clue who to vote for. As someone mentioned earlier, 'none of the above' is the strongest candidate for me so far. But unless there was a mass vote of no confidence, which there won't be, it feels futile.[/QUOTE]
I don't think spoiled ballots are even counted
I don't think spoiled ballots are even counted