This would be a disaster. The scots had a referendum on whether they wanted to stay within the UK, why can't England have the same? fudging tail wagging the brain-damaged dog is what that government would be.
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This would be a disaster. The scots had a referendum on whether they wanted to stay within the UK, why can't England have the same? fudging tail wagging the brain-damaged dog is what that government would be.
The last 3, post-budget polls:
You-Gov: Labour 2 pts ahead of Tories (Sunday Times)
Survation: Labour 4 pts ahead of Tories (Mail on Sunday)
Opinium: Tories 3 pts ahead of Labour (Observer)
All probably within the margin of error, nothing doing re. the budget. The upshot of polls for the last few months/weeks/days is that Labour is doing better than Conservative in England, whilst doing worse in Scotland. This is why I think Labour will form the next government (because Labour doing badly in Scotland doesn't strengthen the Tories, but doing badly in England weakens them).
You-Gov: Labour 2 pts ahead of Tories (Sunday Times)
Survation: Labour 4 pts ahead of Tories (Mail on Sunday)
Opinium: Tories 3 pts ahead of Labour (Observer)
All probably within the margin of error, nothing doing re. the budget. The upshot of polls for the last few months/weeks/days is that Labour is doing better than Conservative in England, whilst doing worse in Scotland. This is why I think Labour will form the next government (because Labour doing badly in Scotland doesn't strengthen the Tories, but doing badly in England weakens them).
It would effectively be a Labour government. Whether that's a disaster depends on your point of view.
The SNP would not, imo, bring down a Labour government at this time. They have nothing to gain from that, hence the anti-Tory noises from Nicola Sturgeon. They will show that Scottish voters can vote SNP and not get a Tory government.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Not sure I like the idea of even more council housing being sold off. I grew up in a council flat and they were meant for working class families not sure selling them off no matter how many votes it gets you is a good idea.
Anybody watch the Q and A with Miliband and Cameron? I thought the audience part was a bit lame, the stuff with Paxman was better.
I doubt it will change many votes either way. IMO, Miliband came over better, he seemed to have a bit more conviction and was stronger against Paxman than Cameron. I don't think the polls will move much as a result, but we'll see.
I doubt it will change many votes either way. IMO, Miliband came over better, he seemed to have a bit more conviction and was stronger against Paxman than Cameron. I don't think the polls will move much as a result, but we'll see.
Was worth watching just to see Paxman get them both flustered. I think they both started shakily in the Paxo interviews and then got to grips with him a bit as it went on. They should have just done longer interviews with Paxman and not had the audience with their lame bullsh1t.
A head to head would have been much better to watch though. I'm not gonna bother with that 7 party cluster-fcuk thing they are gonna do.
A head to head would have been much better to watch though. I'm not gonna bother with that 7 party cluster-fcuk thing they are gonna do.
It was the only logical thing to do.
The unions aren't spending as much on parties as they used to (although that doesn't make Milibland any less their bitch) so the Conservatives have a massive spending advantage in the campaign.
Cameron couldn't ever win a head to head. If he attacks Milibland's ability to lead (which he should as it's a very valid point) he just comes across as a bully being nasty to the poor little autist. If he doesn't do so then he's the PM who couldn't even take on a 'special' opposition leader. There is no win for him.
Really?
Came across to me as what he is - someone quite good at learning his lines who's also a bit [puts tongue behind bottom lip]
Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, said Miliband had clearly given a better performance, giving him 7/10 against Cameron’s 4/10, Rowena Mason reports.
“It was not what I expected at all,” Farage said. “In terms of personalities, he fought back more, was more human and got the audience clapping. Cameron was nowhere near that. Cameron looked discomfited.”
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I'd have given Miliband 6/10 and Cameron 5/10 myself. But this is why the Tories didn't want debates and were reluctant to agree with these interviews, because it can only do Miliband good (as the narative is that he's a weak spastic, so he only has to beat that level) whereas Cameron has nothing to gain (because they are campaigning, in large part, that the vote is between statesman Dave or weak spazzy Ed).
“It was not what I expected at all,” Farage said. “In terms of personalities, he fought back more, was more human and got the audience clapping. Cameron was nowhere near that. Cameron looked discomfited.”
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I'd have given Miliband 6/10 and Cameron 5/10 myself. But this is why the Tories didn't want debates and were reluctant to agree with these interviews, because it can only do Miliband good (as the narative is that he's a weak spastic, so he only has to beat that level) whereas Cameron has nothing to gain (because they are campaigning, in large part, that the vote is between statesman Dave or weak spazzy Ed).
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Lots of avoiding questions by Teflon dave
Lots of looking scared by Ed
Still no idea what labours policies are
Ed annoyed me by constantly referring to Obama as leader of the free world- how patronizing and HollywoodHollywood
Lots of looking scared by Ed
Still no idea what labours policies are
Ed annoyed me by constantly referring to Obama as leader of the free world- how patronizing and HollywoodHollywood
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Electing Tories without some kind of leftish anchoring is scary
Milliband is just unelectable
Milliband is just unelectable
Richie
Naybet
Of course it was good politics, but in this case good politics makes for bad democracy which is more important to me.
I'm also a bit sick of this 'no-win' argument for the incumbent in debates. Four of the last five US Presidents have debated as an incumbent and won a second term, it's pathetic for our Prime Ministers to run scared of the opposition leader.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
The debates will only reinforce the beliefs of people who have made up their minds and those that have not made up their minds must have no interest in society so are not really worth bothering with.
Does not matter who any one votes for they should be respected for voting or spoiling the ballot like I intend to do. But these debates will not change anything for most so are a massive waste of time.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Biggest OG Cameron has made, he lost his bottle.
Of all the Conservative voters I've spoken to (and pretty much everyone I know votes that way) Richie is the only one to say it's changed his mind.
Anyone with any interest whatsoever in the debates has already decided which way they're voting - I can't see that it's had any effect whatsoever.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Disagree with that, I think more then ever there are a lot of voters out there who have not made their minds up. The choice of all parties is poor and Cameron bottling out of a proper debate will not encourage a lot of the undecided.
I mostly agree. If Cameron had given a superb performance, I still wouldn't vote for him.
The media narrative resulting from these interviews doesn't help the Tory election strategy though. The narrative now being "Oh, Ed Miliband isn't as bad as I thought."
Richie
Naybet
I disagree, I think there are huge swathes of undecided voters in this election, perhaps more than there has ever been. It sounds like most of the voters you speak to don't fall in to the 'undecided' category, in which case it's unlikely anything would change their vote.
I also happen to live in a marginal seat which makes me consider my vote more, I imagine you're in a position like my parents where the Tory incumbent could be photographed with a crack pipe at a gay orgy and still get re-elected.
Richie
Naybet
That's fair, by the same token there is nothing Milliband could do to get me to vote for him. However there are plenty of people undecided between UKIP/Tory or Labour/Green/Lib Dem, a good or bad performance could see a significant swing in those races.