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monkeybarry said:
Nice side step on the legality of the referendum.

What I am for is an effective delivery of policy for the UK within the realms of the UK democratic process.
All of what I said in my post will stand up to scrutiny and seems to me like a pragmatic approach.

But it does raise the flip side question - as someone that voted to leave, if the process looks increasingly like being negative instead of positive for the UK would you be happy for Parliament to put the breaks on?

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So you did vote to remain then, that would explain a lot.
 
StephenH said:
The parallels between Brexit in the U.K. and Trump in the US tickles me.

It's like one of those old zombie moves from the 50's.
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I think there's a key difference. In Britain the liberals (Johnson and Gove) did form an unholy alliance with the disenfranchised blue collar workers to build a majority. Some of it may have stirred unsavoury things, but it has always felt liberal led and outward looking (Britain over its post-WW2 collapse and confident enough to try and be a world power again). In contrast both Trump and his voters are entirely protectionist/isolationist/inward looking
 
monkeybarry said:
Don't be petulant, address the points made.

And yes in the end I did vote remain. I was on the fence but decided I didn't have enough faith in UK politics' current state to effectively address the question.

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Petulant? :rolleyes: you voted remain ( as i thought) and that explains your posts above. Nothing i say will stop you from being a sore loser so what is the point.
 
monkeybarry said:
Nice side step on the legality of the referendum.

What I am for is an effective delivery of policy for the UK within the realms of the UK democratic process.
All of what I said in my post will stand up to scrutiny and seems to me like a pragmatic approach.

But it does raise the flip side question - as someone that voted to leave, if the process looks increasingly like being negative instead of positive for the UK would you be happy for Parliament to put the breaks on?

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Everyone knew Brexit would mean some short term pain. The likely 'costs' were made very clear in the campaign.

People voted for freedom, potentially over happiness. They chose the red pill.
 
What it has done though is destroy people's ability to engage in reasonable debate and pragmatic analysis of the present.

Which is why I have tried to engage in it.
 
StephenH said:
Brexit doesn't require thinking - apparently 17m people in the U.K. have proved this.
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Nonsense. Many voted for Brexit BECAUSE they thought about about the pros and cons of staying part of the EU and felt the pros outweighed the cons.
As i'm sure you know, the turnout for the vote was one of the highest ever
 
glorygloryeze said:
Nonsense. Many voted for Brexit BECAUSE they thought about about the pros and cons of staying part of the EU and felt the pros outweighed the cons.
As i'm sure you know, the turnout for the vote was one of the highest ever
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Sadly for the vast majority, and maybe not yourself, it was about immigration. Nothing more nothing less.

Many wanted to make Britain Great again, a lot will be dead before we ever leave the EU.
 
we're past the point of in or out, we are heading out

the issue is how much it fudges us over and for how long, should we proceed full steam ahead with a hard brexit even if it means we destroy our economy in the process?

should the democratic process trump the governments fiscal responsibility?

there is nuance here and that needs to be addressed, if you asked all the leave voters to work out exactly what they voted for you would get 18m different lists
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think there's a key difference. In Britain the liberals (Johnson and Gove) did form an unholy alliance with the disenfranchised blue collar workers to build a majority. Some of it may have stirred unsavoury things, but it has always felt liberal led and outward looking (Britain over its post-WW2 collapse and confident enough to try and be a world power again). In contrast both Trump and his voters are entirely protectionist/isolationist/inward looking
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Wow I never thought there was a conceivable way either Boris or Gove and certainly not UKIP could be described as Liberal! Suppose there is a first time for everything.
 
StephenH said:
Sadly for the vast majority, and maybe not yourself, it was about immigration. Nothing more nothing less.

Many wanted to make Britain Great again, a lot will be dead before we ever leave the EU.
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Rubbish, of course there were some who did but there were many who did not. They voted out because they thought it was the best thing to do.
 
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galeforce said:
we're past the point of in or out, we are heading out

the issue is how much it fudges us over and for how long, should we proceed full steam ahead with a hard brexit even if it means we destroy our economy in the process?

should the democratic process trump the governments fiscal responsibility?

there is nuance here and that needs to be addressed, if you asked all the leave voters to work out exactly what they voted for you would get 18m different lists
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60% of our trade is with the rest of the world. By leaving a protectionist stagnating regional trading block, we can negotiate much better terms with more dynamic and upwardly mobile countries. Renegotiation some new arrangement with the EU (soft or hard) should be very much secondary to negotiations with the rising economic superpowers.
 
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