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milo said:
If he was backing Leadsom it would be for the same reason as Boris, she's not up to the job and would be replaced within a couple of years.
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I can't think of any PM that proved to be up to the job. That's why the UK is in the position it is right now, years and years of bad decisions, poor leadership, and no real plan to really make a positive difference to the more than a select minority

May or Leadsom will just join a long line of spineless self centred fcukwits.
 
indianspur said:
I can't think of any PM that proved to be up to the job. That's why the UK is in the position it is right now, years and years of bad decisions, poor leadership, and no real plan to really make a positive difference to the more than a select minority

May or Leadsom will just join a long line of spineless self centred fcukwits.
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I am not supporting any of the candidates but Leadsom is spectacularly under prepared for the job and has shown nothing to suggest that she could do it.
 
indianspur said:
So you think it's ok for youngsters to have easy access to such sites and no-one should at least try and explore the possibilities of putting in some controls to cut off access?

It may be impossible to do but surely the intention to find a solution is honourable
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That is a straw man argument.

Do you think that is feasible for all UK websites to be assessed before they go live? What about new content that they publish after that? What do you do about sites outside the UK?

It is a ludicrous suggestion from someone who clearly does not know what they is talking about.
 
milo said:
That is a straw man argument.

Do you think that is feasible for all UK websites to be assessed before they go live? What about new content that they publish after that? What do you do about sites outside the UK?

It is a ludicrous suggestion from someone who clearly does not know what they is talking about.
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All im saying is that maybe there is a way round this and it's at least worth having the debate. She doesn't have expert knowledge but like I said there is nothing wrong with the intention.

If enough expert heads get together maybe a solution can be found. Worth a go at least
 
indianspur said:
All im saying is that maybe there is a way round this and it's at least worth having the debate. She doesn't have expert knowledge but like I said there is nothing wrong with the intention.

If enough expert heads get together maybe a solution can be found. Worth a go at least
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The idea is stupid and unworkable.
 
If many of the Leave campaign claims were an advert, they would be banned as 'false advertising'.

Yet in a referendum any claim goes (?) with one of the leaders of the campaign now pulling similar tricks campaigning for Prime Minister! While Boris and Farrage are keeping a low profile, not even willing or able to outline delivery of their own campaign. If it wasn't so serious, having implications for everyone in the country, it would be side splittingly funny.
 
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Danishfurniturelover said:
Clarke is about as welcome in the conservative party as I would be. Not sure why he ever joined them.

Guessing he is staying on as a MEP because he wants to destroy the EU. Something I would fully support,he said in his third resignation speech that he wanted to help other countries leave. A very noble act from a man who despite not being a great politician and making plenty of mistakes managed to achieve the spectacular.
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So he wants his life back, yet he will still work as a MEP? Nothing to do with the £84,000 salary? Working for an organisation that he thinks should not exist. :confused: A noble man of great integrity!?
 
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I really hope this is not going to turn into a whitewash, Blair needs to be taken to task over taking us into a illegal war.




Judgement day for Tony Blair: Ex PM could face legal action from families of 179 soldiers killed in Iraq if the Chilcot report finds he misused intelligence to go to war
  • Chilcot report into 2003 Iraq War to be published today and Tony Blair will be criticised for taking UK into conflict
  • Families of soldiers accused ex-PM of starting war 'based on lies' and lawyers will likely try to take Blair to court
  • John Miller, whose son Simon was murdered in Iraq in 2003, said of Mr Blair: 'I want to see him in the dock'
  • Ex-PM will be very unlikely to face war crime trial in The Hague - but British soldiers could be prosecuted


Tony Blair looked tired and grim-faced today as he emerged from his London mansion to face his day of judgement over the Iraq War.

Families of the 179 soldiers killed in the conflict are preparing to take legal action against the former prime minister if it is proved he twisted intelligence to build a case to invade.

Sir John Chilcot will finally deliver his report on the UK's most controversial military engagement of the post-war era and warned the Government, army and intelligence service to expect criticism.

Families of British soldiers killed in the conflict, which started 13 years ago, have instructed solicitors to examine the report and consider dragging the former PM through the courts.

John Miller's son, Simon, was one of six military policemen murdered in Iraq in 2003, and today he said of Mr Blair: 'There's got to be some kind of court case, be that In The Hague or elsewhere. I want to see him in the dock'.

The families believe Mr Blair is guilty of 'malfeasance in public office' because he misused his constitutional powers which led to mass casualties. They could also seek to sue him for damages and secure compensation from his estimated £60million wealth.

Since the invasion and toppling of Saddam Hussein tens of thousands of Iraqis have died in the civil war that followed with 250 being killed in a Baghdad car bomb on Sunday, the worst bloodshed since 2003.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676469/Judgement-day-Tony-Blair-Ex-PM-face-legal-action-families-179-soldiers-killed-Iraq-Chilcot-report-finds-misused-intelligence-war.html#ixzz4DcChl0aa
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parklane1 said:
I really hope this is not going to turn into a whitewash, Blair needs to be taken to task over taking us into a illegal war.




Judgement day for Tony Blair: Ex PM could face legal action from families of 179 soldiers killed in Iraq if the Chilcot report finds he misused intelligence to go to war
  • Chilcot report into 2003 Iraq War to be published today and Tony Blair will be criticised for taking UK into conflict
  • Families of soldiers accused ex-PM of starting war 'based on lies' and lawyers will likely try to take Blair to court
  • John Miller, whose son Simon was murdered in Iraq in 2003, said of Mr Blair: 'I want to see him in the dock'
  • Ex-PM will be very unlikely to face war crime trial in The Hague - but British soldiers could be prosecuted


Tony Blair looked tired and grim-faced today as he emerged from his London mansion to face his day of judgement over the Iraq War.

Families of the 179 soldiers killed in the conflict are preparing to take legal action against the former prime minister if it is proved he twisted intelligence to build a case to invade.

Sir John Chilcot will finally deliver his report on the UK's most controversial military engagement of the post-war era and warned the Government, army and intelligence service to expect criticism.

Families of British soldiers killed in the conflict, which started 13 years ago, have instructed solicitors to examine the report and consider dragging the former PM through the courts.

John Miller's son, Simon, was one of six military policemen murdered in Iraq in 2003, and today he said of Mr Blair: 'There's got to be some kind of court case, be that In The Hague or elsewhere. I want to see him in the dock'.

The families believe Mr Blair is guilty of 'malfeasance in public office' because he misused his constitutional powers which led to mass casualties. They could also seek to sue him for damages and secure compensation from his estimated £60million wealth.

Since the invasion and toppling of Saddam Hussein tens of thousands of Iraqis have died in the civil war that followed with 250 being killed in a Baghdad car bomb on Sunday, the worst bloodshed since 2003.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676469/Judgement-day-Tony-Blair-Ex-PM-face-legal-action-families-179-soldiers-killed-Iraq-Chilcot-report-finds-misused-intelligence-war.html#ixzz4DcChl0aa
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Without wanting to guess the result of an enquiry about which I know next to nothing.....

If the conclusion is that the war was legal, do you promise to stop calling it an illegal war?
 
scaramanga said:
Without wanting to guess the result of an enquiry about which I know next to nothing.....

If the conclusion is that the war was legal, do you promise to stop calling it an illegal war?
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There are so many people who can not allow it to be called a illegal war ( for their own reasons) so i have no illusions that the truth will come out, it will be a cover up ( as usual) and the same folks who lied then will lie now.

I hope i am wrong but we the people will be treated like mushrooms ( again).
 
parklane1 said:
There are so many people who can not allow it to be called a illegal war ( for their own reasons) so i have no illusions that the truth will come out, it will be a cover up ( as usual) and the same folks who lied then will lie now.

I hope i am wrong but we the people will be treated like mushrooms ( again).
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So when people agree with you they're being honest but when they disagree they're lying?

Is it also not possible that maybe you're just wrong?
 
scaramanga said:
So when people agree with you they're being honest but when they disagree they're lying?

Is it also not possible that maybe you're just wrong?
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I see we have found something else we disagree on. And the bolded bit sums up your position on most things and suits you to a tee. :p
 
parklane1 said:
I see we have found something else we disagree on. And the bolded bit sums up your position on most things and suits you to a tee. :p
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Seriously though. Of those who call the Iraq war illegal, what proportion know a single thing about any kind of law?

And what proportion are protester types that would jump on any old bandwagon that sticks it to "the man"?

In all the times this issue has been discussed on this forum only one legal expert has ever weighed in with his opinion and he came down firmly on the side of legal, without any qualification to his judgement whatsoever.
 
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