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Well what a shock the Chilcott Report was. Bliar, guilty of entering into an unnecessary war without any justification, yet he will simply say he feels deeply sorry and is deeply troubled before moving on. Everyone will move on. Meanwhile, I sincerely hope someone does the job of laying outlaw many lives have been lost and how many destroyed by this 'sorry' clown shoe. Anyone who refuses to see that this Iraq 'war' was the one which has accelerated, exacerbated and stoked all extremist actions globally and thus led us to this brick-show, is in denial. Ostriching it so-to-speak. In todays fast-moving world, Bliar knows if he grovels in public for a few days and then lies low, there is so much flimflam churning right now he can slip through the cracks and crawl off like the roosterroach he is.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I don't think it is a whitewash. From what I have read (which admittedly is not a great deal as yet), it is pretty scathing of Blair.
(From the BBC website, very high level
Tony Blair overstated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, sent ill-prepared troops into battle and had "wholly inadequate" plans for the aftermath, the UK's Iraq War inquiry has said.
Chairman Sir John Chilcot said the 2003 invasion was not the "last resort" action presented to MPs and the public.
There was no "imminent threat" from Saddam - and the intelligence case was "not justified", he said.)

Those are pretty serious findings. The question is whether anything can be done about them. There is maybe an issue with people's expectations of the inquiry. Anyone who was expecting Tony Blair to be denounced as taking the country into an illegal war was always going to be disappointed as that determination was not within Chilcot's remit.
From the Inquiry website, the terms of reference are described as :
"...It will consider the period from the summer of 2001 to the end of July 2009, embracing the run-up to the conflict in Iraq, including the way decisions were made and actions taken, to establish, as accurately as possible, what happened and to identify the lessons that can be learned. Those lessons will help ensure that, if we face similar situations in future, the government of the day is best equipped to respond to those situations in the most effective manner in the best interests of the country."
Nothing about deciding the legality of the decision to go to war in the first place.
It may open the way for some civil actions to be taken - although I imagine that would take years to complete and involve significant costs.

My comment is not on whether the war was right or wrong (my sense is that it was wrong) but rather that Blair is far, far from being exonerated - quite the opposite.
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And he will be sent to bed with no tea and grounded for a week. I am not having a go at you mate but that result is a sell out and he will just carry on saying sorry but my GHod told me i was doing the right thing.
 
We should have a Somme enquiry or a Suez one the Dardanelles was a corker Winston Churchill's crystal ball definitely on the blink with that one.
The list would be endless.

Wars are always a bad idea but I'm not sure I would have done much different. My favourite is Afghanistan the king of roosterup ideas. Hindsight is a bitch.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Anyone who remembers the turn of events at the time will know that Blair and Bush had an intention to invade Iraq no matter what; that was the reason for the "overstated threats" along with the rush to prepare "evidence" (even Powell used what was a college student's thesis at the time in his speeches at the UN).
People in the know who had connections to the military were already talking about how military plans were being made in the summer of 2002.
Technically, it was more heavy-handed coersian of parliament and the political 'democratic process' than outright lying (although of course they really were lying) to push through a vote to give a green light go to war by the time of the actual the invasion (which as i say was pre-planned).

Anybody who actually thought all this "overstating the threat" was not the case back then was either deluded or lying to themselves
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Absolutely.
This was a mandate brewed in Washington and cultivated over many months once the 'opportunity' arose. Despicable. I was as convinced it was utter flimflam then as I am now. Obviously, Bliar is working off the 'time heals all wounds' theory. I hope in his case it never gives him a moment's peace, the scumbag.
 
thfcsteff said:
Well what a shock the Chilcott Report was. Bliar, guilty of entering into an unnecessary war without any justification, yet he will simply say he feels deeply sorry and is deeply troubled before moving on. Everyone will move on. Meanwhile, I sincerely hope someone does the job of laying outlaw many lives have been lost and how many destroyed by this 'sorry' clown shoe. Anyone who refuses to see that this Iraq 'war' was the one which has accelerated, exacerbated and stoked all extremist actions globally and thus led us to this brick-show, is in denial. Ostriching it so-to-speak. In todays fast-moving world, Bliar knows if he grovels in public for a few days and then lies low, there is so much hogwash churning right now he can slip through the cracks and crawl off like the roosterroach he is.
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Given the s***bag he is, he will probably make more money out of his lecture tours telling the world how he acted in good faith and the lord was watching him as he made his decisions.
 
scaramanga said:
So had the report shown Blair to have lied, it would have been evidence he is a liar.

But now that it doesn't state that, the report is evidence of nothing.

Starting to sound a lot like the arguments of a religious type to me.
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Not sure i understand that mate.
 
StephenH said:
We should have a Somme enquiry or a Suez one the Dardanelles was a corker Winston Churchill's crystal ball definitely on the blink with at one.
The list would be endless.

Wars are always a bad idea but I'm not sure I would have done much different. My favourite is Afghanistan the king of roosterup ideas.
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Mate, 9/11 presented the west with a GOLDEN chance to actually bring the world TOGETHER, drive a huge stake into the heart of muslim extremism/fundamentalism, and propagate a world where the vast MAJORITY were in it together. Instead, the US and the UK single-handedly created the ten-twentyfold expansion of muslim extremism by unleashing an entire army and police force unto the region without so much as set of directions let alone some sort of control, compromised millions upon millions of ordinary muslims and ensured that thousands of young men and women ended up fighting in a war they didn't know against people they weren't equipped to deal with on any level thanks to the propaganda that basically had them thinking 'they' were all 'enemies'. Oh, and there was the further expansion of Kellogg and Halliburton-fuelled war machinery. All because Saddam (who, remember, was 'our friend' when we'd had enough of the Shah of Iran - another bastard who'd been placed n his country by virulent regime change) was considered no longer 'controllable'...disgraceful.
 
scaramanga said:
So had the report shown Blair to have lied, it would have been evidence he is a liar.

But now that it doesn't state that, the report is evidence of nothing.

Starting to sound a lot like the arguments of a religious type to me.
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Actually, your line of 'logic' here resonates far more with a 'religious' type. You know. All hands to the bible and what it says is 'the word' end of...
 
thfcsteff said:
Mate, 9/11 presented the west with a GOLDEN chance to actually bring the world TOGETHER, drive a huge stake into the heart of muslim extremism/fundamentalism, and propagate a world where the vast MAJORITY were in it together. Instead, the US and the UK single-handedly created the ten-twentyfold expansion of muslim extremism by unleashing an entire army and police force unto the region without so much as set of directions let alone some sort of control, compromised millions upon millions of ordinary muslims and ensured that thousands of young men and women ended up fighting in a war they didn't know against people they weren't equipped to deal with on any level thanks to the propaganda that basically had them thinking 'they' were all 'enemies'. Oh, and there was the further expansion of Kellogg and Halliburton-fuelled war machinery. All because Saddam (who, remember, was 'our friend' when we'd had enough of the Shah of Iran - another bastard who'd been placed n his country by virulent regime change) was considered no longer 'controllable'...disgraceful.
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Great - but as Ive said HINDSIGHT!
 
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