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So is gove a serious runner, or was just getting his own back on boris? He's never expressed any leader ambitions before has he?
 
glasgowspur said:
So is gove a serious runner, or was just getting his own back on boris? He's never expressed any leader ambitions before has he?
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I find it hard to imagine that he could get any serious Conservative backing after behaving like that.

You never know though - maybe everyone else hates May too.
 
Gove would be abysmal. He managed to take sensible policy in the Department for Education, and ostracize more or less everyone, so that his position became untenable. It wasn't that his policy was wrong, it was the way he managed to rub everyone up the wrong way. But with Boris, they could make a good team. Gove has the determination and perseverance, Boris, more image conscious and has some diplomacy. One without the other, and you end up an Authoritarian Chump or Wishywashy Buffoonery.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
Gove would be abysmal. He managed to take sensible policy in the Department for Education, and ostracize more or less everyone, so that his position became untenable. It wasn't that his policy was wrong, it was the way he managed to rub everyone up the wrong way. But with Boris, they could make a good team. Gove has the determination and perseverance, Boris, more image conscious and has some diplomacy. One without the other, and you end up an Authoritarian Chump or Wishywashy Buffoonery.
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I shouldn't worry too much about a Tory that tinkles off teachers. That comes free in the membership pack.

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SpurMeUp said:
Gove would be abysmal. He managed to take sensible policy in the Department for Education, and ostracize more or less everyone, so that his position became untenable. It wasn't that his policy was wrong, it was the way he managed to rub everyone up the wrong way. But with Boris, they could make a good team. Gove has the determination and perseverance, Boris, more image conscious and has some diplomacy. One without the other, and you end up an Authoritarian Chump or Wishywashy Buffoonery.
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Gove's educational policies were far from sensible imo, more slanted towards personal experience (which didn't account for the vast majority of people who didn't experience his life)), nepotism with a dysfunctional return to unworkable educational values that failed in the past and are failing now. In my opinion of course.

I do agree that he went about it haphazardly.

A lot of what happens next depends on the media I think. Gove has made a grevious error (awarding himself a lord mandelson type reputation and handing the contest to may) unless he has a few more tricks up his sleeve and the media back him enough to make him popular.

Regarding May's twitter post, I'm sure the 'born here' bit was just miswording but, it's a ridiculous mistake to make in this day and age.
 
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That won't give us an accurate decision on leaving though.

Think how many scousers will never, ever, ever vote Tory - many would literally die before they did. No matter how much they believed in leaving, they would never be able to vote for it. Equally, if Con were campaigning for leave and Lab for remain, I'd have to fudge our economy, my business and my savings just to vote remain - it would never work.
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Exactly - would be great carnage!

Get The Sun to support all parties except the Tories too and see what the scoucers do!
 
And I thought Boris was a cert, both for Tory leadership and to win the next GE. Politics is mental at the moment. At this rate, Clegg will be the next PM.
 
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