I have thought that myself, and I think Corbyn could even win on making a snap election about remaining in the EU, and a huge chunk of the electorate voting on a single issue. But I don't feel too comfortable just ignoring the referendum result, even though I am a remain voter. I think, party politics aside, we should make a new deal with the EU that reflects the referendum result, as complicated as that will be.
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I have thought that myself, and I think Corbyn could even win on making a snap election about remaining in the EU, and a huge chunk of the electorate voting on a single issue. But I don't feel too comfortable just ignoring the referendum result, even though I am a remain voter. I think, party politics aside, we should make a new deal with the EU that reflects the referendum result, as complicated as that will be.
People
Countries like Spain and Greece where there is high youth unemployment will want out too.
And of course, you have generation snowflake having a good cry over...
Hmm and so is Alex White by the looks of it. People's pessimism is blinding, a bit of perspective helps. Other countries will want to trade with us. The EU is not the whole world and guess what? It's the beginning of the end for the corrupt superstate. Our European neighbours will look at Brexit and will call for their own referendum.
Countries like Spain and Greece where there is high youth unemployment will want out too.
And of course, you have generation snowflake having a good cry over...
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parklane1
Tony Galvin
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Its going to happen because the EU is a busted flush, they are already moves about wanting a referendum in Denmark, Holland, France and Italy. That is why all the EU leaders were trying to stop a leave vote winning, they saw others would follow if we voted to leave.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
That chart is horrific.
milo
Jack L. Jones
So all the nashing of teeth and scare stories and all the wailing from those that lost the vote has subsided and the world has not ended , we are now back on the Tory/Labour debate and what a state both the major partys are in.
It is far too early to say what the medium and long term impact will be and concern about our economic prospects after this decision certainly haven't subsided.
We are entering a period of prolonged uncertainty and uncertainty spooks the markets. Much foreign investment into the UK will be put on hold and some jobs will move offshore. At the end of that, one possible outcome is that we have restrictions placed on our access to our biggest external market.
I get that you and the Portugeezer chose to ignore or disregard most of the warnings during the campaign but only listening to voices that support your position now is going to give you a very distorted impression of what is happening.
I am up for reading well written and thought-out views of what post-Brexit Britain may look like and how we can get there. Louise Mensch does not provide this.
So the suggestion is that parliament might directly go against the very clear wishes of the electorate?
I'm sure there's some old law still hanging around that defines that as treason. That aside, it would have to be a secret vote - anyone voting against would be unelectable for at least a generation.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The suggestion is that a parliamentary vote is required to trigger Article 50.
They are not really concerning themselves with the outcome of the vote but since you bring it up. The referendum was advisory and not binding, the leave vote did not set out what leave would look like and there are competing visions of leave. I think that gives MPs plenty of scope for voting against if they think that the proposals are not in the country's interest. Voting against might not be a rejection of the referendum result and could instead be a back to the drawing board vote. In either circumstance, I think that it would be difficult to get through without a general election first.
I understand that parliament might want to discuss the terms of exit, but I can't see any legitimate excuse they could have for discussing whether or not we leave - that choice was clear.
The EUrocrats are making any parliamentary ratification virtually impossible by refusing to discuss terms until article 50 is invoked. My suggestion would be that we very publicly start negotiating trade deals with the rest of the world and start dismantling all the pointless regulation now - the EU will realise that the pressure is on them to resolve this and will weaken on their insistence of no negotiations.
It's a real shame Davis isn't running again.
My only real concern is that it's anyone but May.
Scratch that. Crabb would be a horrible choice too
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Labour lost Scotland because Of failed promises from both sides of the party. Labour took the Scottish vote for granted and gave nothing in return.
The left promised to carry on a fight few people were interested in and couldn't win and the blairites were only interested in London.
The left promised to carry on a fight few people were interested in and couldn't win and the blairites were only interested in London.
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indianspur
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Why anyone but May ? Because she is a remainer and thus is more likely to make a deal with the EU which is virtually no different to our current relationship with the EU? Or is it something more personal about her that puts you off?
Because all our data are belong to her.