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the dza said:
I have a question for those who voted to leave, and I'm not trying to catch you out. I am just interested.

If the government negotiates an exit deal with the EU and we look something like Norway, where we STILL have free movement of EU people despite being outside of the EU (as Norway has), will you feel that you have got what you voted for?
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I get the feeling free movement will have to be in place in any deal. Does anyone really believe that Europeans are going to be prevented from entering the UK when they want? What is the alternative, visas? Who is going to process them. Just think how many Europeans need to travel to the UK on business and the same applies the other way too. Who will want such bureaucracy? Same applies to tourists.

So I think those that voted leave and expected zero or little inward migration are going to very disappointed. A compromise might be freedom of movement but not a freedom to work and claim benefits. To work the migrant will have to get a work permit as part of a job offer.

It's all very complicated tbh
 
the dza said:
I have a question for those who voted to leave, and I'm not trying to catch you out. I am just interested.

If the government negotiates an exit deal with the EU and we look something like Norway, where we STILL have free movement of EU people despite being outside of the EU (as Norway has), will you feel that you have got what you voted for?
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personally yes I would mate as immigration is not a red line to me, I favour a points based system but it was not top of my list of priorities.

I apologise for spelling in this post. my laptop is broken and I'm using phone.

If migration numbers are that important you could still have free movement and cut numbers. We booked to go to America on holiday and the wife got it in her head we should move there.

So with that in mind if you want to keep numbers low. Your free to move to UK but you have to have a job offer before you enter the country, you pay a bond of £2,000 on entry to cover any health cover you may need that you get back when you leave. You do not receive any ' n work or out of work benefits. But your free to come work here.

The are ways round it.
 
scaramanga said:
No, I just wish I had.

I've felt fairly awful about voting remain since I did - clearly to the point where I've even convinced myself I did!
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it is like after you been to a brothel and you fudge a couple but as you go home to the wife you regret not leaving some of the kebab for her.
 
scaramanga said:
No it's not, you can't compare them like that.

It's like comparing acceleration and top speed - there is no comparator for it.

By repeating that nonsense you're just spreading the same bricke all the economic illiterates on Facebook are.
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It wasn't my comparison. But why can you not compare these two statistics?

The amounts of money are the same. Of course they are not like for like. One is the contributions made by the UK to the EU over15 years, the other a value of the economy expressed by the value of its currency. But both are real.

As I said, tomorrow the pound may rise and I do get what you are saying, the value of Sterling will constantly change (especially at the moment). But to dismiss the value of the pound as not relevant, is also too simple. Its real, it has real implications as you are aware. How you express the amount of change in Sterling's value on Friday is up to you. How would you express it better?
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
It's Sunday afternoon after a Friday morning result ffs. What do you want? A full roadmap on the desk by Monday morning. They're probably watching the football.
Cameron has said he wants a 3 month ship steadying (not that the eu do) before iniating Article 50. The ideal leaders and team to navigate the process will hopefully come to the fore in that time, along with a lot of legwork done. Boris is just an MP and farage (not that he should be involved) isn't even that. What remit do they currently have, none.

Hopefully that time frame will let everything calm down a little, and we can actually work thru the issues/hurdles one by one. (inc on here).
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Of course they do and if they do not get it they will scream and scream.
 
David Cameron, a man who loved taking the risk of unprotected sex but now can't deal with the pregnant bird on his doorstep

Coward
 
Grays_1890 said:
David Cameron, a man who loved taking the risk of unprotected sex but now can't deal with the pregnant bird on his doorstep

Coward
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I do get your points re. Cameron, he should have helped pick up the pieces etc etc.

Cameron has been roundly criticised for not getting enough from the pre-referendum negotiations with the EU, he also doesn't believe in Brexit. With this in mind, would you actually like Cameron to negotiate Brexit with the EU?

Apart from anything else, its an impossible task. What people have been promised, can not be delivered. Cameron didn't make the promises, but he did try to outline the problems which was labelled Project Fear. If we're not part of the single market, we lose jobs - the city jobs, car makers etc - and if we are in the single market, we have to abide by free movement and trade rules. See Norway as an example.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
It wasn't my comparison. But why can you not compare these two statistics? The amounts of money are the same. The figures are the same. Of course they are not like for like. One is the contributions made by the UK to the EU over15 years, the other a value of the economy expressed by the value of its currency. But both are real.

As I said, tomorrow the pound may rise and I do get what you are saying, the value of Sterling will constantly change (especially at the moment). But to dismiss the value of the pound as not relevant, is also too simple. Its real, it has real implications as you are aware. How you express the amount of change in Sterling's value on Friday is up to you. How would you express it better?
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You have to express it in comparison to other changes in capitalisation. In that regard, we're still well above where we were a few months ago and Sterling is almost back up where it was before last week's gambling.

We're also better off than most of the EU which puts a lot of pressure on them to conclude a deal quickly.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
It wasn't my comparison. But why can you not compare these two statistics? The amounts of money are the same. The figures are the same. Of course they are not like for like. One is the contributions made by the UK to the EU over15 years, the other a value of the economy expressed by the value of its currency. But both are real.

As I said, tomorrow the pound may rise and I do get what you are saying, the value of Sterling will constantly change (especially at the moment). But to dismiss the value of the pound as not relevant, is also too simple. Its real, it has real implications as you are aware. How you express the amount of change in Sterling's value on Friday is up to you. How would you express it better?
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Look.....the £ against the euro was trading in the 1.10 - 1.20 range from the back end of 2008 up until the start of 2014.....how did you feel then and what were the implications? Fridays close was north of that. There is no strength in the Euro, in fact they are behind the curve in devaluing it in comparison to other currencies. Stop sh*tting yourself:)
 
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would you actually like Cameron to negotiate Brexit with the EU?
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Honestly speaking yes, mental ey?

But I have followed alot of Camerons comments over the years and there has been many occasions he was anti EU, so he now has experience on both sides of the fence. He is also a signed up PM, as someone said earlier what would have happened if the EU took a turn for the worse without our referendum, would he just up sticks and leave.

He would have my full support
 
scaramanga said:
You have to express it in comparison to other changes in capitalisation. In that regard, we're still well above where we were a few months ago and Sterling is almost back up where it was before last week's gambling.
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To cut the jargon (on my side as well as yours): the pound fell by an unprecedented 12% after the referendum, hitting its lowest point in three decades before ending the day down 7% at $1.37.

I think you'd do well betting on the pound declining to about $1.20 possibly more if the political uncertainty spooks investors (Scotlands future, and no UK leader).

The UK has a huge current account deficit - 7% of GDP. Osborne tried to warn of the effects of Brexit. Investors may not put any money into Sterling while there is great uncertainty and the deficit becomes more worrying under these conditions. The Bank of England may have to prop up the markets - again - just when things were stabilising post financial crisis.

Are you sure you regret voting remain? ?
 
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Cameron's situation is interesting, he's resigning the party leadership only, he's not resigning from a role to which he was publicly elected. The Tory party won the election and they will take us through the exit, no individual responsibility has been abdicated.

I can only imagine he inserted this clause pre referendum to further strengthen the remain campaign. Personally I was already worried about his replacement which I wasn't expecting until the next general. It's pretty slim pickings out there now.
 
Boris has a column in the telegraph tomorrow. They reviewd it on the paper section on the news. He sounded statesman like and trying to unify the country, recognized it was not a unanimous victory and seemed to offer concessions to the remainers. Wonder if the other side would have done the same if the roles were reversed.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Boris has a column in the telegraph tomorrow. They reviewd it on the paper section on the news. He sounded statesman like and trying to unify the country, recognized it was not a unanimous victory and seemed to offer concessions to the remainers. Wonder if the other side would have done the same if the roles were reversed.
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Interesting.

It is the only way he can try and deliver. So, 48% voted remain, therefore we'll stay in the EU 48% and provide 52% Brexit. Keep the single market, and negotiate anything else they'll give us.

Problem is we might end up like Norway, in the EU by proxy, with no influence on it. That would be a compromised position that no one voted for. Very tickey one...get the EUs agreement, while also honouring the referendum result. Though no one did define Brexit...
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Boris has a column in the telegraph tomorrow. They reviewd it on the paper section on the news. He sounded statesman like and trying to unify the country, recognized it was not a unanimous victory and seemed to offer concessions to the remainers. Wonder if the other side would have done the same if the roles were reversed.
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Seems more like backtracking to me. Also a bit early to say what we will and won't have.
 
In short, I think Boris would like to do a better job of what Cameron tried to do pre-referendum: negotiate improved terms while staying in the EU. If he could pull that off, well he would be lauded as a magician. I hope he can. But what will the Sun and Farage say if we remained, albeit on improved terms? And would the EU nations agree, giving the UK terms that other EU members don't get? Seems unfair and unlikely, but you never know.
 
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