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indianspur said:
I know plenty of non English who voted leave because they wanted to see immigration reduced to more controlled and manageable levels.
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Ah yes the pull up the drawbridge after you I'm alright Jack phalanx. I have plenty of family in that category, as xenophobic if not more as any native Englishman. I reserve the most contempt for them. Incidentally reports suggest non EU immigration has been higher than EU migration, that was always in our power to control and manage yet we didn't.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Question for people who voted remain, respectfully your passion for the remain campaign jumps off the page it really does and I mean that with no dig what so ever.

But can I ask, taking retrospective anger out the equation. Did anyone on here join the campaign proactively, knowing it was such a huge vote and hit the streets to work locally and persuade more people to vote remain or vote at all? Thats a serious question, I mean honestly can you answer yes to the questions of "could I have done more"?
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turns out I could have done a hell of a lot more, I did plenty of talking (no official canvassing) but I evidently didn't leave the echo chamber, between that and natural optimism (I tend to assume people will act in their own financial self interest) I was absolutely convinced remain was on for around 80% of the vote, none of my friends, family or colleagues showed any level of interest in leave

i've been naive and complacent and i'm suffering for it
 
SpurMeUp said:
One takes years of taxation, hard work, government policy on spending, elections, votes etc. the other makes quick profits for bankers. Both are real however. Both are massive amounts of money that reflect on the UK. It is absurd to dismiss a figure which is equal to 15 years worth of UKs contribution to the EU, just like that. It is what was predicted, and it came true. Hopefully Sterling will bounce back.
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No it's not, you can't compare them like that.

It's like comparing acceleration and top speed - there is no comparator for it.

By repeating that nonsense you're just spreading the same brick all the economic illiterates on Facebook are.
 
Robspur12 said:
Ah yes the pull up the drawbridge after you I'm alright Jack phalanx. I have plenty of family in that category, as xenophobic if not more as any native Englishman. Incidentally reports suggest non EU immigration has been higher than EU migration, that was always in our power to control and manage yet we didn't.
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we have managed it, it's a net gain to the economy
 
galeforce said:
turns out I could have done a hell of a lot more, I did plenty of talking (no official canvassing) but I evidently didn't leave the echo chamber, between that and natural optimism (I tend to assume people will act in their own financial self interest) I was absolutely convinced remain was on for around 80% of the vote, none of my friends, family or colleagues showed any level of interest in leave

i've been naive and complacent and i'm suffering for it
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Don't be too hard on yourself GF you had over 17m people to convince!
 
galeforce said:
turns out I could have done a hell of a lot more, I did plenty of talking (no official canvassing) but I evidently didn't leave the echo chamber, between that and natural optimism (I tend to assume people will act in their own financial self interest) I was absolutely convinced remain was on for around 80% of the vote, none of my friends, family or colleagues showed any level of interest in leave

i've been naive and complacent and i'm suffering for it
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Fair reply.

Do you think there was maybe a relaxed view that was bred by Camerons laid back nature to it? From the outside thats the sense I got from it. As much as people say leave never thought they had a chance as you say remain probably fell more into that trap than leave actually.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I take no pride in these people and condemn them totally.

I think the important thing and most sensible thing is to take people for exactly who and what they are and not produce blanket statements. Are all English football fans hooligans or Germans Nazis? We managed to separate people with logic years ago so I would urge the same here.

It works both ways as I have seen some pretty condemn able actions from remain.
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Did I make any blanket statements in my post??
 
Grays_1890 said:
Fair reply.

Do you think there was maybe a relaxed view that was bred by Camerons laid back nature to it? From the outside thats the sense I got from it. As much as people say leave never thought they had a chance as you say remain probably fell more into that trap than leave actually.
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yeah, fairly relaxed for most of it, there was plenty of noise from leave but support generally moves to the incumbent the nearer to the election you get
 
indianspur said:
They may think they have a majority voice but we know they don't. Right now they have the attention on them and they are taking advantage of it. Things will settle down

The majority who voted leave don't have the extreme racist views that these people have. I know plenty of non English who voted leave because they wanted to see immigration reduced to more controlled and manageable levels. Yes the extreme racists have jumped on immigration but they have never needed any excuse to peddle their racist views.
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100%. And just to reiterate, I feel for those that voted to leave that are now associated with the idiots that peddle these views. Just as I feel for those on the other side who have been tarred as well.
 
It seems to me that millions of Britons just voted by placing blind faith in...Bozo Boris and Farage. I mean, what was their post Referendum plan again? How were they going to manage all the complexities? They never quite got around to explaining those few tiny details. I don't think Bozo expected, or even wanted a leave vote. I'll bet he thought on the outside chance of it happening, his 'ole mucker Cameron would do all the heavy lifting. Well, he thought wrong about that didn't he.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
It seems to me that millions of Britons just voted by placing blind faith in...Bozo Boris and Farage. I mean, what was their post Referendum plan again? How were they going to manage all the complexities? They never quite got around to explaining those few tiny details. I don't think Bozo expected, or even wanted a leave vote. I'll bet he thought on the outside chance of it happening, his 'ole mucker Cameron would do all the heavy lifting. Well, he thought wrong about that didn't he.
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It seems to me, personally, that millions of Britons voted for what they wanted - and won.
 
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