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Gilzeantoscore said:
It seems to me that millions of Britons just voted by placing blind faith in...Bozo Boris and Farage. I mean, what was their post Referendum plan again? How were they going to manage all the complexities? They never quite got around to explaining those few tiny details. I don't think Bozo expected, or even wanted a leave vote. I'll bet he thought on the outside chance of it happening, his 'ole mucker Cameron would do all the heavy lifting. Well, he thought wrong about that didn't he.
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No he didn't think that.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Fair reply.

Do you think there was maybe a relaxed view that was bred by Camerons laid back nature to it? From the outside thats the sense I got from it. As much as people say leave never thought they had a chance as you say remain probably fell more into that trap than leave actually.
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Personally I don't think Cameroon took a laid back approach to the referendum but did become complacent about his campaign tactics. During the Scotts referendum he used last minute fear to make sure those undecided would vote to remain. In the 2015 general election he used last minute fear again (although Miliband wasn't that much competition anyway). And now with the EU referendum he dared to cry wolf a third time, the nation decided to stick two fingers up to him and call his bluff and now he's had to resign as a result.
 
Does anyone here seriously think that Bozo Boris is up to the job of negotiating all this complex detail through the EU and parliament? Would he have the balls to activate Article 50? Looks like Cameron snookered him badly there. Also there are plenty of stories circulating, that enemies within the Tory Party are going to go after him with their dirt files. Plenty there to dig apparently. So he did all this for nothing it seems.
 
This is pretty much a re-run of the Scottish Independence vote, with the difference that the canny Scots realised that there was no detail in place, if in fact the yes vote won. They pulled up at the cliff.
 
Question then, who in your mind should have the plan in place? Which specific person? If indeed you don't believe its Cameron because for me he is still on the scene for another 3 months anyway
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Voting was the easy part. The hard part was dealing with the mess left afterwards. Where was that detail again? People voted on blind trust that these knobs actually knew what they were doing.
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It's Sunday afternoon after a Friday morning result ffs. What do you want? A full roadmap on the desk by Monday morning. They're probably watching the football.
Cameron has said he wants a 3 month ship steadying (not that the eu do) before iniating Article 50. The ideal leaders and team to navigate the process will hopefully come to the fore in that time, along with a lot of legwork done. Boris is just an MP and farage (not that he should be involved) isn't even that. What remit do they currently have, none.

Hopefully that time frame will let everything calm down a little, and we can actually work thru the issues/hurdles one by one. (inc on here).
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
It's Sunday afternoon after a Friday morning result ffs. What do you want? A full roadmap on the desk by Monday morning. They're probably watching the football.
Cameron has said he wants a 3 month ship steadying (not that the eu do) before iniating Article 50. The ideal leaders and team to navigate the process will hopefully come to the fore in that time, along with a lot of legwork done. Boris is just an MP and farage (not that he should be involved) isn't even that. What remit do they currently have, none.

Hopefully that time frame will let everything calm down a little, and we can actually work thru the issues/hurdles one by one. (inc on here).
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SPOT ON
 
You would think that an exercise that is going to have huge ramifications for the British economy would be fully explained BEFORE the vote. As a rational individual, that is what I would have expected. Not five days later, or three months later. It needed to be all up front. As I stated previously, this was the big hole in the Scottish Yes vote, but fortunately for them, the Scots pulled up at the last minute. If you don't know what the full ramifications of an exit vote are before you vote for it, that looks an awful lot like an act of blind faith to me.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
You would think that an exercise that is going to have huge ramifications for the British economy would be fully explained BEFORE the vote. As a rational individual, that is what I would have expected. Not five days later, or three months later. It needed to be all up front. As I stated previously, this was the big hole in the Scottish Yes vote, but fortunately for them, the Scots pulled up at the last minute. If you don't know what the full ramifications of an exit vote are before you vote for it, that looks an awful lot like an act of blind faith to me.
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How do you fully explain the end result of a negotiation?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
You would think that an exercise that is going to have huge ramifications for the British economy would be fully explained BEFORE the vote. As a rational individual, that is what I would have expected. Not five days later, or three months later. It needed to be all up front. As I stated previously, this was the big hole in the Scottish Yes vote, but fortunately for them, the Scots pulled up at the last minute. If you don't know what the full ramifications of an exit vote are before you vote for it, that looks an awful lot like an act of blind faith to me.
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That falls firmly on Cameron
 
AuroRaman said:
100%. And just to reiterate, I feel for those that voted to leave that are now associated with the idiots that peddle these views. Just as I feel for those on the other side who have been tarred as well.
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I agree, but if anyone was naive enough not to recognise that Out = legitimising UKIP views then I suggest they pay more attention.

Should have concentrated on getting rid of UKIP first.

But the public (ergo electorate) are stupid if they really don't base their vote on anti UK Government stance - that's what general elections are for.
 
I have a question for those who voted to leave, and I'm not trying to catch you out. I am just interested.

If the government negotiates an exit deal with the EU and we look something like Norway, where we STILL have free movement of EU people despite being outside of the EU (as Norway has), will you feel that you have got what you voted for?
 
the dza said:
I have a question for those who voted to leave, and I'm not trying to catch you out. I am just interested.

If the government negotiates an exit deal with the EU and we look something like Norway, where we STILL have free movement of EU people despite being outside of the EU (as Norway has), will you feel that you have got what you voted for?
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If all we have from the EU is free trade and free movement we'll have precisely what I voted for.
 
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