Don't be daft.
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Don't be daft.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
Well hopefully he will remain - a couple of thousand miles away.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Amen
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Oh...dude....
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Do you think I'm a Corbyn fanboy? Appreciate I've given examples on one side.
Just because he agrees with you doesn't mean he's not an extremist.
Glad to hear you're not, just balancing a bit.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
No, you know I'm part of the Russell Brand everyone should hug a tree and we can all kiss each other better movement
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
No, you know I'm part of the Russell Brand everyone should hug a tree and we can all kiss each other better movement
Also watch yourself. My Avatar fights bears, comrade.
I'd say you are far more of an extremist than either myself or Corbyn. You only have to list again all of the current workers rights that you want taken away to see that. Privatised NHS too? No minimum wage? Completely unlimited immigration for unskilled migrants even for outside of the EU? Agreement with the Iraq War, even in retrospect?
I think the majority of people would see these as quite extreme positions.
Students might.
Nationalisation and hanging out with terrorists and anti-semites would certainly be on most people's extremists radar.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
One of the lines I have heard repeatedly from many leavers was " I am not a racist but I went to the park or travelled on the bus in London and no one was speaking English it felt like I was in a foreign country."- Firstly why are you listening to other people's conversations? and secondly what you are saying is latent racism. For me there were only 2 tests for first time immigrants. Did they put back in at least as much as they take out of their adopted country. Did they respect the values, traditions and laws of the country they were immigrating into.
Now Imagine you are a British Asian walking into a pub in a provincial town in the uk, how uncomfortable you can feel because you are not like the others. I have been a victim of terrible racism both in the provincial towns and on the one occasion I was unlucky enough to visit North Wales. I am glad to say over the years the situation has got better but it was still there. I understand the intellectual arguments surrounding sovereignty (I don't agree with them necessarily ). I understand that there is much about the EU that needs reform especially its relentless urge to expand membership. I voted remain because of the economy and the opportunities being a member of the EU could give my children but also because I am afraid that England and Wales will once again become terribly insular and intolerant. This is something you can only understand if you have experienced this intolerance.
Now Imagine you are a British Asian walking into a pub in a provincial town in the uk, how uncomfortable you can feel because you are not like the others. I have been a victim of terrible racism both in the provincial towns and on the one occasion I was unlucky enough to visit North Wales. I am glad to say over the years the situation has got better but it was still there. I understand the intellectual arguments surrounding sovereignty (I don't agree with them necessarily ). I understand that there is much about the EU that needs reform especially its relentless urge to expand membership. I voted remain because of the economy and the opportunities being a member of the EU could give my children but also because I am afraid that England and Wales will once again become terribly insular and intolerant. This is something you can only understand if you have experienced this intolerance.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
fair enough, but it is not unique to me to feel that the BBC has an extreme bias. The are so many articles on it and if i were not on my phone I would link them. Even workers have come out and said it had a left wing bias.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
seriously shocking when Morgan is a voice of reason.
Yeah I did look at the figures, and it certainly provides pretty good evidence that unemployment isn't being significantly increased by immigrants!
Still, purely for my own interest, I'm interested to understand exactly how and why that's the case - anyone able to help me out and lay out the specific things that happen when an immigrant takes a job, that lead to higher GDP and therefore extra jobs?
For the record I was strongly in favour of remain (and voted as such).
Nationalisation of certain industries is very popular amongst the general population and there are examples of this in major western democracies. Hardly extreme. Very unlike your positions in my earlier post, which is basically the Tea-Party without religion.
Corbyn protested against Apartheid and for gay rights when these were seen as subjects for the loony left (and/or students). The man does not condone violence or racism of any kind, that much is obvious to those without an irrational dislike or agenda
Firstly, truly sorry to hear that you've been on the receiving end of racism - as a white british guy I appreciate that it's something I can probably never totally understand. And I appreciate that immigration etc is therefore a very personal topic for you.
However, I have to totally disagree with the underlined sentence. And I think sentiments like that eventually lead to more racism, because people who have genuine grievances are branded racists and become even more filled with anger.
There is nothing wrong with people wanting to live in a community where the majority of people speak the same language and are from a similar cultural background! As a 'young cosmopolitan' multiculturalism doesn't bother me, but that doesn't mean I think it shouldn't bother others. In the same way, if some traditional indigenous town in Guatemala (for example) had a rapid influx of White British people bringing their own culture and lifestyle, I would understand if they felt uncomfortable - wouldn't make them racist either.
I think this is such an important point, and underlies so much of this whole debacle. There is a difference between not wanting a single non-white british person in your community, and feeling uncomfortable having a significant number of people in your community come from an alien culture.