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SpurMeUp said:
Don't think Farage meant it in reference to the shooting personally. He's just stupid and put his foot in it without thinking. Who hasn't done that?

Where is the HSBC news from? Brexiters were so sure this would not occur. Remain voters so sure it was a possibility. If the financial services leave London, it will be a different city. Maybe a better city. But jobs will go, housing prices will decline, and taxation revenue will reduce. Hardly what we were promised from Brexit.

Edit: I think that is old news. Banks will be making contingencies, but not make any public decisions until we see what Brexit looks like.
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It was reported by Nolan on 5 Live as breaking news about 15 mins ago.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Which 'left wing media' ? There isn't much left to compete with Herr Murdoch.
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There's no market for left wing media, the public in this country don't want it.

There are left wing papers but they have a tiny circulation because it doesn't interest the public. We've been voting centre right (or pinkos pretending to be centre right) for nearly 40 years.
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
Is it cowardly to admit we can't understand a situation or foolish to pretend we do?
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No Cameron was supposed to be a leader if he believed it was better for Britain to stay in Europe he should not have offered a referendum, that's my point. They are elected to do the best for the people of this country and not turn round and say Oh well it's up to you, if he felt so strongly about the issue he should have made it an election promise to stay in, but he didn't as he was more concerned with being re-elected.
 
scaramanga said:
There's no market for left wing media, the public in this country don't want it.

There are left wing papers but they have a tiny circulation because it doesn't interest through public. We've been voting centre right (or pinkos pretending to be centre right) for nearly 40 years.
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There would be if they had birds with big tits
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
No Cameron was supposed to be a leader if he believed it was better for Britain to stay in Europe he should not have offered a referendum, that's my point. They are elected to do the best for the people of this country and not turn round and say Oh well it's up to you, if he felt so strongly about the issue he should have made it an election promise to stay in, but he didn't as he was more concerned with being re-elected.
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I get you. Agreed.
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
Is it cowardly to admit we can't understand a situation or foolish to pretend we do?
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I think its a fair comment.


I will for the benefit go to time of explaining why I voted leave, not that anyone will be interested but I will give it a go.


I think Britain for its current position in the world has huge potential, I think that comes from a number of factors, I don't disagree that it comes from some of the EU and being in the EU, but ultimately I believe we are great and have huge potential because of the people, because of the education of the people and the skills of the people, the creativity of the people. I think because of the people of the UK our potential is boundless.


So then it came to the debates and I know there was factual substance to the remain campaign that they could lean back on but the part of me had a sense of “what if we are not realising our potential as a country at a global level”. Then I see Cameron almost saying the UK will never reach its potential unless we remain in the EU and I just started to think that we would never know for sure unless we see what we can do.


I don’t want to be part of a country that is told it is only as good as the European cartel that it is part of, a cartel that isn’t really built on excellence but being able to control the honey pot by its strength in numbers and the proverbial gun held to heads.


I get HUGELY the facts that are presented by remain of what we gain being in the EU and that’s hard to argue against, but what if there is something better out there? Remain have the stats for in, but conversely there are no stats for them to say its worse out, and for me thats what I wanted proved, is it without question worse being out than in. People will say what I am saying is careless and gambling on peoples future but again I refer to what I said earlier, I believe in the potential of this country. And I strongly believe the EU is better for Britain inclusion not necessarily the other way round, I believe based on what this country has to offer, not just financially but intellectually that we have contributed hugely to the success of the EU. Thats why I believe we have the potential to be out and on a global platform, I agree with the gentleman on BBC this morning who said we are the most accepting country in the world and we have more global appeal than near enough anyone.


I strongly believe that and I actually found people basically preaching that we can only survive if sucking on the teet of the EU pretty down hearting.


Thats why I voted out and in terms of consequences and input, I am ready to put my money where my mouth is off the back of the vote and result.
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
Maybe?

I'd always thought the BBC would be pretty reliable for news. Maybe they're just having a laugh.

I'm sure you can hear it for yourself on catch-up.
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I think it may be an old story from Feb, whereby HSBC said they'd stay in London but have flexibility to move upto 1000 people to Paris. It would be vindictive if banks made such decisions now, without seeing how things shake down. It would put a marker in the sand, when hopefully we can protect jobs post referendum. So much to be worked out, and is Boris up to it?
 
galeforce said:
like I say, I'm against them generally

but if you are going to use them then make sure you get a sweeping result, a (high) minimum turn out should be required as well, if we do go to the trouble of giving the people a voice the least they can do is use it
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You could require them to be compulsory to vote on but that's a different matter entirely.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I think it may be an old story from Feb, whereby HSBC said they'd stay in London but have flexibility to move upto 1000 people to Paris. It would be vindictive if banks made such decisions now, without seeing how things shake down. It would put a marker in the sand, when hopefully we can protect jobs post referendum. So much to be worked out, and is Boris up to it?
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Possibly, I'm just saying what I heard.

Nolan classed it as 'breaking news' and brought in someone else (maybe Pienaar?) to briefly talk about it.

It was to do with passporting and they were keen to stress it was a relocation, not job losses.

Hopefully they, and I, are wrong.
 
billyiddo said:
No one should be kicked out Steff and I don't think anyone but a very small minority of far right idiots would even think that's a possibility - what it hopefully means is that we have better control of who comes in to the country. You say yourself that large numbers of British nationals are no longer qualified to work in certain industries so why are we allowing in unskilled migrant workers to make their opportunities even less? It doesn't stack up imo


With regards to the rest people seem to be working on the assumption that because a lot of our trade revolves around EU trade deals that we're buggered, but all that means is that there will be a period of adjustment as we renegotiate those deals on our terms.

My girlfriend works for Citigroup and was distraught yesterday morning when she checked the results - she's been working herself up about what it will mean for her and the banking industry, well last night after a day at work she was much more relaxed and said the overall opinion from work was that after an initial period of instability things will settle down and carry on as normal and the end of days which had been predicted was nothing more than hyperbole
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Sadly mate, IMV, people have become detatchef from reality versus ideal. Modern society is currently built around cheap labour. Everyone wants 'stuff' but most people don't wish to pay the going rate for quality, thus price dictates all. We are addicted to 'cheaper faster' but that isn't always 'better'. Industry was returning, tell me, what of Nissan in Sunderland? How many more opportunities were opening up? This, for me, is a knee-jerk reaction against the 'elite' but in truth, nothing will change quickly for those who feel disenfranchised other than they may now have even LESS jobs and MORE immediate poverty.

As for the EU, hope that Merkel gets her way, because there could well be punitive push back or further seperation driven by other right wing nationalists.

Whatever happens, do not underestimate how the UK suddenly looks to others; like a small, seperatist 'fudge off we don't need you' country.

Hopefully I am very wrong mate.
 
mephitis said:
"I would HOPE that EVERYONE who voted for Brexit understands what they were voting for."

Do you genuinely believe that the reverse is the case, everybody who voted to stay fully understood what they were voting for?

"I am aware of the 'immigration argument' but is there anything else?"

You will be aware of the "immigration argument" because the remain campaign made quite a good job of painting a picture of Brexit supporters as having no other reason to vote leave, when in fact the majority took time to consider all the arguments and consequences of their decision, as indeed did the remain supporters.
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I am genuinely waiting to hear what Brexit's plans are!
 
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