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Politics, politics, politics

SpurMeUp said:
Not for those that wanted out.

Look I agree with all your points more or less. But we need to get on with it now. Three things:

1) Leaving the EU is far from a done deal. Much to be negotiated and worked out.

2) Some change can be a good thing. Being stale is the worst condition. Shaking things up can be beneficial, whether in your own life or in a nations.

3) You are free. You can, for the moment at least, move to any country in Europe. Funny that Roy would like to move to Spain :( a vote to remain would allow anyone to flit between Spain and the UK. But its likely we'll still have some agreements with the EU, and be able to live and work there, not that much will change. I hope not anyway.
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I'm not not getting on with it

I fear for the consequences and think that more needs to be made of certain aspects, I'm opining in a politics thread on a discussion forum
 
Roy1983 said:
I don't think it was a mistake. The figures show we give £350m a day to the EU. That money will be spent on our own issues somewhere I don't think anyone really thought every penny would go to the NHS that'd be ludicrous.
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But that is the point - the figure of £350m per week paid to the EU was quickly disproven and accepted as wrong even by Leave - but Leave still continued to promote it knowing it was incorrect.
There are plenty of valid reasons to vote Leave , even if I don't agree with them - but that truly is not one of them.
 
parklane1 said:
I just did, try and keep up if you are going to cast aspersions on those who have a different opinion to you.
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I edited that whilst you were replying

I cast no aspersions on you, you don't have to be speaking for specific others to give an opinion on political mood
 
Glenda's Legs said:
But that is the point - the figure of £350m per week paid to the EU was quickly disproven and accepted as wrong even by Leave - but Leave still continued to promote it knowing it was incorrect.
There are plenty of valid reasons to vote Leave , even if I don't agree with them - but that truly is not one of them.
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To be honest there has been a lot of mis-information done by both sides of the argument/debate, we do give 350 m to the EU but as you say we get some of it back. I think Milo made a very good point the other day when he said that the standard of abuse , lies by both sides has been disgusting but then what do we REALLY expect from from our leaders.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
But that is the point - the figure of £350m per week paid to the EU was quickly disproven and accepted as wrong even by Leave - but Leave still continued to promote it knowing it was incorrect.
There are plenty of valid reasons to vote Leave , even if I don't agree with them - but that truly is not one of them.
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Look I'm sorry but whatever we DO pay to the EU will be better spent on our own people and our own problems.
 
galeforce said:
I edited that whilst you were replying

I cast no aspersions on you, you don't have to be speaking for specific others to give an opinion on political mood
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I did see that after i replied, as i started this discussion off by quoting some of your words you used to describe the voters who disagreed with your opinion. ( manipulated, self harming, narrow minded, turkeys) your words not mine.

I accept you were not having a go ( casting aspersions) at me but it sure looked like you were doing just that at others. The vote was democratic and the majority won you may not like it ( and have a right to disagree with them) but calling those who did win the vote makes you look nothing more then a poor loser ( imo).
 
Roy1983 said:
Surely we all agree on that. However, what about the difference that the former were bought up and educated in Britain and the latter haven't. We can't get rid of the home grown work shy (unfortunately) but under our terms any lazy slob who is here to attempt to sponge (Again I'm aware this is a small percentage but still a large number) can be returned to their home country. For the good of our country surely?
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We can't get rid of our own but we should have no obligation to support them.

IMV if you want to enter into a society and benefit from it you are agreeing to contribute to the best of your ability.
Each individual has something worthy to contribute. If you are not willing to contribute then don't expect help.
I would glad take benefits from our own nationals who don't contribute to give to anyone willing to come here and contribute.
The waste in this country on benefits that go to undeserving is incredible. I
 
parklane1 said:
I did see that after i replied, as i started this discussion off by quoting some of your words you used to describe the voters who disagreed with your opinion. ( manipulated, self harming, narrow minded, turkeys) your words not mine.

I accept you were not having a go ( casting aspersions) at me but it sure looked like you were doing just that at others. The vote was democratic and the majority won you may not like it ( and have a right to disagree with them) but calling those who did win the vote makes you look nothing more then a poor loser ( imo).
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I fear the referendum shows evidence of right wing influence, much like we've seen sweeping across Europe in the last few years, I fear the manipulation could be an intended ploy to further this, if that's the case I fear for what comes next, I'm wondering if anyone else shares these concerns?

the turkey was an idiom, I didnt call any specific person a turkey
 
glasgowspur said:
We can't get rid of our own but we should have no obligation to support them.

IMV if you want to enter into a society and benefit from it you are agreeing to contribute to the best of your ability.
Each individual has something worthy to contribute. If you are not willing to contribute then don't expect help.
I would glad take benefits from our own nationals who don't contribute to give to anyone willing to come here and contribute.
The waste in this country on benefits that go to undeserving is incredible. I
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Of course it is. I just find it astonishing that people are willing to accept foreign nationals here indefinetly who have no desire to contribute.
 
Roy1983 said:
Of course it is. I just find it astonishing that people are willing to accept foreign nationals here indefinetly who have no desire to contribute.
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Caring sharing society?, no matter the problems it causes to the residents who were bought up and live here ( health services collapsing, schools full up, lack of homes for some, can not get to see a doctor etc) o dear silly me i forgot its all down to a ageing population. Silly boy.
 
parklane1 said:
Caring sharing society?, no matter the problems it causes to the residents who were bought up and live here ( health services collapsing, schools full up, lack of homes for some, can not get to see a doctor etc) o dear silly me i forgot its all down to a ageing population. Silly boy.
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Is an ageing population the reason why we had to fight for my sons place in his new school for September?

Or a completely wrong priority when it comes to social housing? Maybe it is????
 
Roy1983 said:
Of course it is. I just find it astonishing that people are willing to accept foreign nationals here indefinetly who have no desire to contribute.
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I don't care if it's Martians, if they are useful to our society, willing to contribute and there is room for them let them in.
Other side of the coin, I don't care if it's my friends or relatives if they aren't willing to contribute why should society pay for them.
For me it's one, if not the most depressing things about this whole saga, instead of trying to fix what everyone can see is wrong all the energy is being expended on name calling and finger pointing. It won't change because politicians are only concerned about getting re elected to stay on the gravy train.
 
Roy1983 said:
Is an ageing population the reason why we had to fight for my sons place in his new school for September?

Or a completely wrong priority when it comes to social housing? Maybe it is????
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You know its not and so do i, however to some its a good excuse to excuse them looking at the real reasons behind the problem.
 
I don't trust any politician tbh.

Just a few hours after the results we've had Farage backtrack about the 350 mill claim, a Tory mp has said that whatever happens he can give no assurances that immigration will be reduced to acceptable levels

Will anybody really be surprised if eventually we end up with a Swiss/Norwegian type agreement with the EU which ultimately solves few of the concerns the leave campaign highlighted?

Load of bollox
 
glasgowspur said:
I don't care if it's Martians, if they are useful to our society, willing to contribute and there is room for them let them in.
Other side of the coin, I don't care if it's my friends or relatives if they aren't willing to contribute why should society pay for them.
For me it's one, if not the most depressing things about this whole saga, instead of trying to fix what everyone can see is wrong all the energy is being expended on name calling and finger pointing. It won't change because politicians are only concerned about getting re elected to stay on the gravy train.
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tickle my balls with a feather.
 
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