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parklane1 said:
So what you are saying is that all those that voted for Democracy ( the majority) are not self harming, turkeys, narrow minded, manipulated but they ALL support Farage and agree with every thing he says.
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the level of democracy is the same for both scenarios

increasing financial risk (especially in areas relying on EU funding) is surely self harming?

turkeys, I repeat, an idiom

narrow minded, not seeing the wider picture and the benefits of cultural pollination

manipulated, not fact checking the claims of either side

hopefully not all of them agree with Farage, but every person who does increases the danger for all of us
 
glasgowspur said:
Same as I think of Britons who refuse to work, society shouldn't have to support them at the cost of people with real needs.
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The ones you are talking about should be made to work for their dole and if they refuse we stop it, we could actually solve two problems at once by doing that. All those migrant workers that i was told the other day on here ( mentioning no names) are needed to work the fields at harvest time would not be needed, saving on having to employ them and saying we have no one to do those jobs.
 
galeforce said:
the level of democracy is the same for both scenarios

increasing financial risk (especially in areas relying on EU funding) is surely self harming?

turkeys, I repeat, an idiom

narrow minded, not seeing the wider picture and the benefits of cultural pollination

manipulated, not fact checking the claims of either side

hopefully not all of them agree with Farage, but every person who does increases the danger for all of us
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As i said in the first place it seems to me its not those who voted for their rights/choices who have a problem but those who throw stones at them for doing so.
 
Roy1983 said:
Listen, I'm really enjoying debating this subject and simply have to ask what is it about the UKIP manifesto you have issues with? Maybe 2/3 bullet points?

I'm genuinely trying to remember something they've mentioned I don't agree with. However, I'm sure if you mention something they've been quoted as saying that's wrong I'll admit as much.
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I could throw many more links at you going back over a decade highlighting the links between UKIP and the far right, their open courting of BNP voters, their membership of EFD, the common tactics to disarm, it's all out there if you look for it
 
galeforce said:
I could throw many more links at you going back over a decade highlighting the links between UKIP and the far right, their open courting of BNP voters, their membership of EFD, the common tactics to disarm, it's all out there if you look for it
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I'm aware they haven't covered themselves in glory but the same could be said for every mainstream party.

Sadly for you if there was a general election tomorrow UKIPS turnout would be more than the 3.5m or so they got last time. People have had enough.
 
Roy1983 said:
I'm aware they haven't covered themselves in glory but the same could be said for every mainstream party.

Sadly for you if there was a general election tomorrow UKIPS turnout would be more than the 3.5m or so they got last time. People have had enough.
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Lot of truth in that, one of the biggest reasons people have turned to UKIP is the failure of our major partys to get a grip with the main problems of too many people and not enough control. I remember having a coversation a couple of years ago about this and everyone i talked too said it could/would not happen, how wrong they were.
 
Roy1983 said:
Whether you agree with the poster or not we all agree that we can't accept untold amounts of refugees though right?

Everyone accepts that 'Britain at breaking point' isn't just made up?
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I don't believe the answer is throwing up the shutters and turning our back, which I believe is the path we are now on

Britain is at breaking point all on its own, immigrants and refugees have not made things any worse, yet they are being used as a politcal piñata we can blame for everything
 
Roy1983 said:
I'm aware they haven't covered themselves in glory but the same could be said for every mainstream party.

Sadly for you if there was a general election tomorrow UKIPS turnout would be more than the 3.5m or so they got last time. People have had enough.
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exactly, this is what I'm afraid of, both main parties are fractured, the extremes can make hay
 
galeforce said:
am I throwing stones at them, or suggesting they are throwing stones for others?
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We are not going to agree are we, you seem to want to cast aspersions at everyone that disagree's with you ( the majority of the voters last night) and can not see were/why you are being questioned about it.
 
parklane1 said:
We are not going to agree are we, you seem to want to cast aspersions at everyone that disagree's with you ( the majority of the voters last night) and can not see were/why you are being questioned about it.
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unlikely we will

do you not think there has been bait and switch here, did people not go to the polls thinking leave would increase NHS funding and reduce immigration, were both carrots not hastily withdrawn this morning, does that not count as manipulation?

please do question me about it, I think I'm making myself reasonably clear but I'm happy to further explain my points
 
galeforce said:
I don't believe the answer is throwing up the shutters and turning our back, which I believe is the path we are now on

Britain is at breaking point all on its own, immigrants and refugees have not made things any worse, yet they are being used as a politcal piñata we can blame for everything
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Don't bother wasting your time trying to explain facts.
 
galeforce said:
I don't believe the answer is throwing up the shutters and turning our back, which I believe is the path we are now on

Britain is at breaking point all on its own, immigrants and refugees have not made things any worse, yet they are being used as a politcal piñata we can blame for everything
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How can you say they haven't made things worse? Hypothetically, if you removed them all how could it not ease the stress on NHS, Schools and every other service we're struggling with?
 
Roy1983 said:
How can you say they haven't made things worse? Hypothetically, if you removed them all how could it not ease the stress on NHS, Schools and every other service we're struggling with?
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the numbers are all in this thread (mostly posted by @milo), services are struggling due to an ageing population

immigration is a net win for the uk, in 2013 the OBR reported that we needed more immigration to help aleviate the strain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ts-to-reduce-strain-of-ageing-population.html
 
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