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Pedro Porro

After more than a year of us bricking on Emerson Royal, and then proclaiming him to be the second coming of Christ after his excellent performance against City, it perhaps seems that some of us haven't learned our lesson. I'm not saying that Porro will eventually come good as he may not make the grade but he is a solid player that might just need some time to adjust. At least we do have Royal who seems to have improved, able to play in a back four (and theoretically should excel there as that it's preferred position). Like @AdamB said, let's start really judging him next season. Kulu was great when he came in last year but seems to have regressed a bit so it goes both ways. They're both young players too.

People are also writing off Udogie already too which is even more surprising considering most of us haven't even watched him play a full match. I know things are not looking good at the moment but we need as much positivity as we can muster. Who knows, maybe the players will feed off it.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I agree with the post but you have to be honest too. We share the same opinion on TAA. Porro is as bad defensively and not as good on the ball. That’s scary.

Neville dissected Trent a few months ago on how poor his basics were. Stuff like body position and checking his shoulder. Porro is even worse than Trent for those basics. There are a dozen examples but watch his first game. Barnes does him down the line and Porro is caught completely square. That’s schoolboy stuff. Last goal yesterday, he’s not checking his shoulder, doesn’t know whats around him and gets done. Second goal, I think, yesterday, he doesn’t get in to cover Romero like a good full back should.

This isn’t just mistakes he’s making. He does not have the fundamentals that I’d expect of any professional defender. The lad is good on the ball but I don’t know if he’s good enough to play in midfield or as wide attacker. If that’s the case, we’ve spunked 45m on a lad that can only play wing back.
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You make good points and i do not disagree entirely, however he is playing in a much faster Lge for the first time and is only 23 so he can improve as he gets older. As for Trent he has had a lot of experience playing in England and is still a crap full back. Now i am not suggesting he will become a great player or even a regular for us but i would rather give him a little more time before writing him off.
 
spurspinter1 said:
I get this viewpoint, but would we be allowed to judge him in a positive light if he'd hit the ground running?
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Technically, no. Case in point - Davinson Sanchez. He had a great first season, made everyone think he was a lot better than he was because he was being carried by one of Toby or Verts.

Six years on, what is he but a useless deadweight?

But, if folks do get excited by a good start, it's not as bad as the opposite, imo (being bothered about a poor one).
 
DubaiSpur said:
Technically, no. Case in point - Davinson Sanchez. He had a great first season, made everyone think he was a lot better than he was because he was being carried by one of Toby or Verts.

Six years on, what is he but a useless deadweight?

But, if folks do get excited by a good start, it's not as bad as the opposite, imo (being bothered about a poor one).
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Fair response and a valid counterexample!

I guess not getting carried away in either regard is the best. No point lamenting it now but we had a here and now manager in Conte who openly isn't in favour of young players as history shows he doesn't stick around long enough to develop players, so signings during his tenure either have to hit the ground running or are of very little use to him.

But this is a Porro thread so don't want to drag it off topic! The good news for him is that the season is a bit of a write off so the remaining games are a bit of a sand pit, I am still concerned about the mistakes he's making but it doesn't mean he's always going to be this bad.

However, not reacting to players running in behind or dribbling in to three opposition players can't be things he's been advised to do under Conte or Steilini so hope he takes some responsibility on those points.
 
harr1984 said:
Think his thread deserves bumping for his goal alone - that was some touch and finish.

Yes his defending leaves a lot to be desired but new league and all that. He can definitely become a valuable asset and love his attitude....
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I definitely thought he was mostly at fault for the first goal, and although Romero should've also done better, Porro was the first man and got beat too easily. Then again, our whole defense and midfield got beat too easily.

As you say, the technique for his goal was excellent. Hope to see more of that in the future, and who knows, he'll probably end up with more goals than Perisic this season even after only coming in January.
 
elltrev said:
So poor again for Liverpool’s first goal. These are very basic defensive mistakes, which concerns me.
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Doesn't look like he has a defensive bone in his body from what I've seen so far. It's fine saying he needs time to adjust, but doubling up on a player already marked to leave a player totally free behind you is pretty basic stuff.
 
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Porro, Romero and Dier are asking for trouble, we should be looking to get rid of them all.
 
He's absolutely terrible defensively. So bad in fact, that you wonder how it's possible for someone that have played his position for so long!
If you put a forward in that position, you might expect mistakes like that occasionally. But this is his specialized position, and it's basic mistakes all the time.
I knew he wasn't great defensively, but he's much worse than I thought. The worst thing is that I'm not sure he'll get much better, because some of the mistakes he's doing, is from the football basics ABC. If he's not learned it by now, I doubt he ever will.
 
The shrug after leaving Jones completely alone for the first, literally no idea who or what he was gesticulating at.

Players have shaky sharts and get better (as he did during the game itself to be fair) but the worry is that this is him in his favoured specialist position, which we may not even have a need for next season depending on which way we go.

Can't remember if I said it in the OMT but I don't see how Spence could have been any worse defensively. The squad planning to spend what we did on him and Porro for it still to be a weak area and leaving the CB situation as it was, is an absolute mystery.
 
spurspinter1 said:
The shrug after leaving Jones completely alone for the first, literally no idea who or what he was gesticulating at.

Players have shaky sharts and get better (as he did during the game itself to be fair) but the worry is that this is him in his favoured specialist position, which we may not even have a need for next season depending on which way we go.

Can't remember if I said it in the OMT but I don't see how Spence could have been any worse defensively. The squad planning to spend what we did on him and Porro for it still to be a weak area and leaving the CB situation as it was, is an absolute mystery.
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Yep, there's Conte for you
- Have Royal, Spence & Doherty (who can play both sides) at RWB
- Have a permanently broken Sess and an out of form Perisic at LWB
- Have Dier and Sanchez being required at CB

Instead of taking the £45M+ and spending it on the best CB you could get for the money, lets get rid of the attacking youth player and the player that can cover and buy another WB that can't defend.

And you know if the club did buy a CB that wasn't exactly the guy Conte wanted, he wouldn't play him, talk some brick about club signings and the fans would lap it up.
 
Raziel said:
Yep, there's Conte for you
- Have Royal, Spence & Doherty (who can play both sides) at RWB
- Have a permanently broken Sess and an out of form Perisic at LWB
- Have Dier and Sanchez being required at CB

Instead of taking the £45M+ and spending it on the best CB you could get for the money, lets get rid of the attacking youth player and the player that can cover and buy another WB that can't defend.

And you know if the club did buy a CB that wasn't exactly the guy Conte wanted, he wouldn't play him, talk some brick about club signings and the fans would lap it up.
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I agree that his decisions re the incomings of defenders weresztrange. Spence would have been fine as the more attacking RB option.

However he would 100% have also been correct to not want to play club signings that he did want or rate, he's the coach that his prerogative. He lives or does on the players and systems he uses.

That is the way Conte works, it's the way Conte has always worked. If you hire Conte then you need to be willing to work his way or you're wasting both your club and his time and it will fail sooner rather than later. So it's not about the fans lapping it up, it's about the fans who have knowledge of his working style understanding it began to all fall apart.





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We need to get rid of all the maybe and brainfart players. Any manager we have has a hard enough time satisfying the crowd and outwitting the competition, without having to worry about whether certain players turn up.
 
Bishop said:
I agree that his decisions re the incomings of defenders weresztrange. Spence would have been fine as the more attacking RB option.

However he would 100% have also been correct to not want to play club signings that he did want or rate, he's the coach that his prerogative. He lives or does on the players and systems he uses.

That is the way Conte works, it's the way Conte has always worked. If you hire Conte then you need to be willing to work his way or you're wasting both your club and his time and it will fail sooner rather than later. So it's not about the fans lapping it up, it's about the fans who have knowledge of his working style understanding it began to all fall apart.

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You can't have zero compromise, it's just not a viable model

You could ask for the CB's of your choice, but if they aren't possible but someone else who could do a job is, then it's being a child to just go "I'd rather nobody and continue to play Dier & Sanchez"

Sarr & Danjuma speak volumes for his judgement

Do agree, we should have known that from the start, but also don't see any world where we promised him 100% of what he wanted, at all times.
 
Raziel said:
You can't have zero compromise, it's just not a viable model

You could ask for the CB's of your choice, but if they aren't possible but someone else who could do a job is, then it's being a child to just go "I'd rather nobody and continue to play Dier & Sanchez"

Sarr & Danjuma speak volumes for his judgement

Do agree, we should have known that from the start, but also don't see any world where we promised him 100% of what he wanted, at all times.
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Between the two parties there needed to be an understanding of what Spurs expected from him and the model within which he would be expected to work as well from Spurs an understanding of how he works and his demands.

With a reasonable person you wouldn't be wrong to expect at least some degree of compromise, but this is Conte we are speaking about. He doesn't compromise, he didn't at Juve, for Italy, Chelsea or Inter. Its rather naive for Spurs to think he would change his entire methodology at this stage of career.

I don't believe you can tell Conte he is wrong when his methods when supported absolutely works.

Note. I was one of those that thought Conte was a bad idea from off for these very reasons so don't get me wrong I'm not supporting him. I'm just a realist and the realist in me knew what he required and I didn't believe we would be able to fulfil his requests.

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Bullet said:
take a look at his defensive instincts here below, in his final match for Sporting.
Granted there are only 5 minutes left, it is a cup final and they are down to 10 men... but as the ball gets played deep into the box, he doesn't run back towards his goal. Then he realises and runs to mark the wrong player. Bit odd that.
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I posted this on 1Feb, before he joined us. Scary levels of defensive awareness
 
parklane1 said:
Jesus 11 games and the knives are allready being thrown at him, i despair about some fans.:(
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Thing is, I gave Royal a lot of brick before he finally started performing well. Not immediately, but after at least half a season watching him playing under Conte. Who knows, maybe he just happened to hit the form of his life and I genuinely felt really bad when he got injured most recently.
I get that some people aren't going to get on the Porro bandwagon but I agree with you about the kneejerking. I can kind of understand where people are coming from to a point as I've made that same mistake before, it's simply way too early to judge him though.

I also get that other players around him aren't playing well either, and it's not that I blame them for Porro's form. He needs to push on and stand out from the rest of our underperforming players but I want to give him at least the preseason with (hopefully) a proper manager.
 
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