DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Shameful.
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Pedro Porro
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Shameful.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
This did make me chuckle.
And on the social media deletion front - It's a quick shift from saying in an interview if he was in the prison he would make it his own to being bothered by abuse from macarons on the internet.
However, there's no obligation for him to be on any social media and I hope it serves him well being off it.
There was a particularly vitriolic reaction to him taking a ludicrous shot. It doesn't justify any OTT criticism or abuse but if he didn't make horrendous mistakes the fans wouldn't have an issue with him. Like Royal hopefully he can overcome it by becoming less of a liability.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
To much sense in that for some.
Yep, young player coming into new league in a struggling side isn't immediately world class (and his backup is injured so can't be slowly eased in).
Again, little frustrated with Conte on this one, keeping Doherty (who could play both sides) for minimal money could have alleviated a lot of brick ..
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Guy's been here for all of three months in an utterly dysfunctional side, and is one of the most positive people on and off the field. One of the few that actually looks like he gives a brick, too.
Social media in general is a cesspit, so I'm sorry he (and even Sanchez et al) gets abuse on there. But no one should be making judgements about the guy long term - not his skill level, physicality, or anything else.
Judge him starting next January, when he has had time to settle into the most relentless, physically demanding league in the world, with a hopefully better coach playing a style that allows him to attack instead of defending for 90% of any given game.
Social media in general is a cesspit, so I'm sorry he (and even Sanchez et al) gets abuse on there. But no one should be making judgements about the guy long term - not his skill level, physicality, or anything else.
Judge him starting next January, when he has had time to settle into the most relentless, physically demanding league in the world, with a hopefully better coach playing a style that allows him to attack instead of defending for 90% of any given game.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
It's a pretty easy fix TBH, decision making in danger and shape in defence. He has the rest just needs to be smarter and all will be good in the world.
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Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Need an actual coach to teach him
Guess there has been some positive reaction reaching out to some of our players
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
So let me get this right, we spunked £40m on Porro because Spence was deemed not good enough, go figure.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
To keep clame happy
Before sacking him because he was a clam
So now we’re left with wing back who can’t defend and can’t deal (so far) with the pace and physicality of this league
superspurs
Simon Davies
Another huge waste of money, which is harsh, but I want to see us return to a back 4 (with proper fudging defenders) and he just doesn't do the job.
Similar fears with Udogie also but he's 20 and I think is more defensive in general, though I may have totally made that up.
Sigh.
Similar fears with Udogie also but he's 20 and I think is more defensive in general, though I may have totally made that up.
Sigh.
Yep, this is the result of hiring managers that have a system no one else (in large numbers) plays and backing them regardless.
I'll say it 1000 times, if in January we had kept Spence and Doherty (to play both sides), focused on Royal & Davies as the WB's with Spence, Perisic and Doherty as rotation options and spent the Porro money on the best CB we could get for £45M (maybe even more because we paid a large part of that up front), the side would be in a much better place.
Another Conte hangover, and the club needs to eat the blame for going along.
Porro needs to be judged when we have a permanent manager in charge, when we have a settled system, a proper GK and competent defenders
He has very good raw abilities on the ball, plus pace and work-rate. Difficult to guage whether he can improve his defending. Hopefully a good manager can do that
He has very good raw abilities on the ball, plus pace and work-rate. Difficult to guage whether he can improve his defending. Hopefully a good manager can do that
Our wing/full back options are generally a mess:
- Udogie, Reguilon, Sess, Davies on the left,
- Spence, Royal and Porro on the right
Generally on the young side, but no clear strategy of WBs or FBs, too many players on the books etc.
We cant ship any out til we know whether the new manager is a back 3 or back 4 manager, so the new DoF (when he arrives) will have to jump on it once the new manager also arrives
Shambles
- Udogie, Reguilon, Sess, Davies on the left,
- Spence, Royal and Porro on the right
Generally on the young side, but no clear strategy of WBs or FBs, too many players on the books etc.
We cant ship any out til we know whether the new manager is a back 3 or back 4 manager, so the new DoF (when he arrives) will have to jump on it once the new manager also arrives
Shambles
Logic would say
- Sess & Reguilon are probably not in the long term plans, both have failed to kick on and both have major injury problems.
- Udogie, Spence and Porro are all mostly WB's, so we are truly in a problem if we opt for 4 at the back
- Royal & Davies can play both models
- Perisic is neither (in this league)
The pain is while 4 at the back will require selling a few and buying at least two new, staying with 3 will have the same problem but at CB role
parklane1
Tony Galvin
To much sense in that for some.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
I get this viewpoint, but would we be allowed to judge him in a positive light if he'd hit the ground running?
Kulu crushed it from the get go and now this season has totally seemed to have lost his mojo. We can't write off the time he was excellent because it was at the start in the way you're suggesting we do for Porro. Same with Bentancur although his issues are injury related obviously.
He does look like he cares, which is kind of a bare minimum and no doubt it's a hard league to adapt to. He didn't seem to care a lot about Joelinton breezing last him for the 2nd goal until it was too late.
I'm wary about writing off the present, as the here and now is important, if we're talking about actually young players like Sarr or youth prospects from the academy obviously it's not right to write them off, but it's a worrying sign that signings like Richy, Perisic, Bissouma and now Porro have not really improved anything. Especially Ivan and Pedro being specialists in positions that may be redundant depending on who comes in
Very odd how we went from being able to improve the first team massively in the January window last season to reverting to just hoping that signings will eventually get better with time.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I think there's some green shoots in there. We'll see under a new manager, but potentially it could be:
Spence (Walker), Royal (Trippier)
Udogie (Rose), Davies (Davies)
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Trippier could cross really really well
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I agree with the post but you have to be honest too. We share the same opinion on TAA. Porro is as bad defensively and not as good on the ball. That’s scary.
Neville dissected Trent a few months ago on how poor his basics were. Stuff like body position and checking his shoulder. Porro is even worse than Trent for those basics. There are a dozen examples but watch his first game. Barnes does him down the line and Porro is caught completely square. That’s schoolboy stuff. Last goal yesterday, he’s not checking his shoulder, doesn’t know whats around him and gets done. Second goal, I think, yesterday, he doesn’t get in to cover Romero like a good full back should.
This isn’t just mistakes he’s making. He does not have the fundamentals that I’d expect of any professional defender. The lad is good on the ball but I don’t know if he’s good enough to play in midfield or as wide attacker. If that’s the case, we’ve spunked 45m on a lad that can only play wing back.