There isn't going to be a General sale.
I can only assume this is because they don't want Lazio fans getting in the home end.
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****OMT - TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs LAZIO**********
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There isn't going to be a General sale.
I can only assume this is because they don't want Lazio fans getting in the home end.
paxtonwolf
John White
Not just in terms of this competition, but having got the win on Sunday, we have a great chance to string possibly 4 wins on the bounce.
Winning is a fantastic habit to get into, would be nice to arrive at Old Trafford on a nice run of form, and confidence
Absolutely.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Tottenham and Lazio united by fondness for former star Gazza
Thoughts inevitably turned to Paul Gascoigne when Tottenham were drawn in the same group as Lazio in the Europa League.
It's two decades since his £5.5m move from the old First Division to Serie A, a protracted transfer which had been delayed and needed to be re-negotiated following the ruptured cruciate ligament he suffered in the 1991 FA Cup final against Nottingham Forest.
That he didn't become for Lazio what Diego Maradona had been for Napoli in the late 1980s and early 1990s - a hope expressed by former president Sergio Cragnotti following his signing - didn't matter.
He was adored by the supporters in the Curva Nord, the section of the Stadio Olimpico where the Lazio diehards reside.
They thought of Gascoigne as one of them on the pitch. And at a club where triumphing in the derby with Roma is often considered of greater importance than conquering the league, his equalising goal in that fixture, a header from a Beppe Signori free-kick, was enough, together with strikes in other important games against Serie A's big clubs and a wonder goal against Pescara, to earn instant iconic status.
Practical jokes, such as the time he brought a dead snake to training and put it into an unknowing Roberto Di Matteo's pocket certainly helped his legend. "I've never seen someone jump so high," he said.
The cult of Gascoigne has endured at Lazio long after he left the club in 1995 to join Glasgow Rangers.
"He is a mythical figure for Lazio fans and very popular in Italy," said Lazio general manager Maurizio Manzini. "I remember the Atalanta ultras who had a reputation for being really tough. They opened an enormous banner with a picture of a huge bottle of beer saying: 'This is for you Gazza'.
"There is always a corner of Tottenham in our hearts. I hope we will have the chance to see him in London and we will invite him to the match in Rome."
Meanwhile, his former club, the Aquile - or Eagles - as Lazio are known in Italy, have made a flying start to the season.
A hat-trick of victories from their opening three games in Serie A is a feat they haven't achieved since the 1974-75 campaign when Lazio, fired by the late Giorgio Chinaglia, began the defence of their first ever Serie A title under legendary coach Tommaso Maestrelli.
Few expected great things of Lazio ahead of the new season, which in some respects is strange considering they have been consistently in the upper echelons of Serie A for the last two years.
If it weren't for the overachievement of Udinese in the same period, they'd be talking about Lazio as the league's revelation. Recognition has been lacking.
In 2010-11, Lazio finished fifth, missing out on qualification for the Champions League preliminaries on goal difference.
Then in 2011-12, they improved again, ending the season in fourth.
In previous years it would have been good enough for entry into the Champions League preliminaries but, since the Bundesliga had overtaken Serie A in the Uefa co-efficient rankings and were awarded an extra place in the competition at their expense, Lazio have had to make do with the Europa League.
Still, why was there not much faith in their chances this season?
First, a veteran squad wasn't greatly rejuvenated or reinforced. The suspicion remained that, had Lazio not let Djibril Cisse and Giuseppe Sculli go to QPR and Genoa in the new year, they'd have been able to cope with an injury to star striker Miroslav Klose towards the end of last season, an injury that cost the club a higher finish.
When the issue wasn't addressed in the summer, concern that Lazio were dependent on an ageing but world-class forward remained.
Second, finally accepting one of several of coach Edy Reja's offers to resign, Lazio appointed Vladimir Petkovic, a relatively unknown quantity outside of Switzerland, the country where he'd worked most, without any experience of Serie A or any other major league in Europe for that matter.
Tottenham supporters, however, will remember Petkovic.
He was the coach of the Young Boys Bern side that gave Spurs a real fright in the Champions League preliminaries in 2010. They won the first leg at the tossdorf 3-2 before capitulating 4-0 at White Hart Lane.
Petkovic is an interesting character. Born in Bosnia, he left Sarajevo aged 17 to play in Switzerland. After a modest career, not sure what direction he wanted to take, Petkovic worked for Caritas, a Catholic relief, development and social service organisation.
Towards the end of his time in the job, he coached second division Bellinzona, gaining promotion and reaching the Swiss cup final where they lost to Basle.
But that aside, what, asked a sceptical Italian press corps, had Petkovic done to deserve a place on the Lazio bench and why had he been preferred to the front-running candidate Gianfranco Zola?
He hadn't won any major honours in Switzerland, after all, and had been sacked at Samsunspor in Turkey. "We chose Petkovic because of other qualities," Lazio president Claudio Lotito explained. "He is a polyglot."
Indeed he is. Petkovic speaks eight languages, a fact that has certainly helped his adaptation, the communication of his ideas and management of the dressing room.
His teams tend to play several formations too. Petkovic's influences are many and they include the manager of Tottenham's North London neighbours.
"I've watched how others coach," he told Il Corriere dello Sport. "Certainly I liked the ideas that Arsene Wenger had with Arsenal a lot. I have never copied, mixing things and ideas. I tried to steal everything that I found to be good from other coaches in order to develop my own ideas. For example, I have always liked the solidity of Fabio Capello."
So far Petkovic has proven to be an inspired choice of manager by Lazio. With more or less the same team as his predecessor, he has already given the impression that he has taken them on a level.
Tottenham should be wary.
Paul Gascoigne for Tottenham and Lazio
Joins Tottenham in 1988 from Saudi Sportswashing Machine for £2m
Plays 113 games for Spurs, scoring 33 goals
Reaches the World Cup semi-final with England at Italia 90 while a Tottenham player
A deal is agreed to sell Gascoigne to Lazio before the end of the 1990-91 season
Ruptures his cruciate ligaments in a foul on Nottingham Forest's Gary Charles in the 1991 FA Cup final, thus delaying his move to Italy
Misses the whole of the 1991-92 season because of injury
Eventually joins Lazio in the summer of 1992 for £5.5m
Plays 41 times for the Italian side, scoring six goals before joining Rangers in 1995
Lazio's 100% start to 2012-13
EL play-off 1: 2-0 v Mura
Serie A: 1-0 v Atalanta
EL play-off 2: 3-1 v Mura
Serie A: 3-0 Palermo
Serie A: 3-1 v Chievo Verona
Thoughts inevitably turned to Paul Gascoigne when Tottenham were drawn in the same group as Lazio in the Europa League.
It's two decades since his £5.5m move from the old First Division to Serie A, a protracted transfer which had been delayed and needed to be re-negotiated following the ruptured cruciate ligament he suffered in the 1991 FA Cup final against Nottingham Forest.
That he didn't become for Lazio what Diego Maradona had been for Napoli in the late 1980s and early 1990s - a hope expressed by former president Sergio Cragnotti following his signing - didn't matter.
He was adored by the supporters in the Curva Nord, the section of the Stadio Olimpico where the Lazio diehards reside.
They thought of Gascoigne as one of them on the pitch. And at a club where triumphing in the derby with Roma is often considered of greater importance than conquering the league, his equalising goal in that fixture, a header from a Beppe Signori free-kick, was enough, together with strikes in other important games against Serie A's big clubs and a wonder goal against Pescara, to earn instant iconic status.
Practical jokes, such as the time he brought a dead snake to training and put it into an unknowing Roberto Di Matteo's pocket certainly helped his legend. "I've never seen someone jump so high," he said.
The cult of Gascoigne has endured at Lazio long after he left the club in 1995 to join Glasgow Rangers.
"He is a mythical figure for Lazio fans and very popular in Italy," said Lazio general manager Maurizio Manzini. "I remember the Atalanta ultras who had a reputation for being really tough. They opened an enormous banner with a picture of a huge bottle of beer saying: 'This is for you Gazza'.
"There is always a corner of Tottenham in our hearts. I hope we will have the chance to see him in London and we will invite him to the match in Rome."
Meanwhile, his former club, the Aquile - or Eagles - as Lazio are known in Italy, have made a flying start to the season.
A hat-trick of victories from their opening three games in Serie A is a feat they haven't achieved since the 1974-75 campaign when Lazio, fired by the late Giorgio Chinaglia, began the defence of their first ever Serie A title under legendary coach Tommaso Maestrelli.
Few expected great things of Lazio ahead of the new season, which in some respects is strange considering they have been consistently in the upper echelons of Serie A for the last two years.
If it weren't for the overachievement of Udinese in the same period, they'd be talking about Lazio as the league's revelation. Recognition has been lacking.
In 2010-11, Lazio finished fifth, missing out on qualification for the Champions League preliminaries on goal difference.
Then in 2011-12, they improved again, ending the season in fourth.
In previous years it would have been good enough for entry into the Champions League preliminaries but, since the Bundesliga had overtaken Serie A in the Uefa co-efficient rankings and were awarded an extra place in the competition at their expense, Lazio have had to make do with the Europa League.
Still, why was there not much faith in their chances this season?
First, a veteran squad wasn't greatly rejuvenated or reinforced. The suspicion remained that, had Lazio not let Djibril Cisse and Giuseppe Sculli go to QPR and Genoa in the new year, they'd have been able to cope with an injury to star striker Miroslav Klose towards the end of last season, an injury that cost the club a higher finish.
When the issue wasn't addressed in the summer, concern that Lazio were dependent on an ageing but world-class forward remained.
Second, finally accepting one of several of coach Edy Reja's offers to resign, Lazio appointed Vladimir Petkovic, a relatively unknown quantity outside of Switzerland, the country where he'd worked most, without any experience of Serie A or any other major league in Europe for that matter.
Tottenham supporters, however, will remember Petkovic.
He was the coach of the Young Boys Bern side that gave Spurs a real fright in the Champions League preliminaries in 2010. They won the first leg at the tossdorf 3-2 before capitulating 4-0 at White Hart Lane.
Petkovic is an interesting character. Born in Bosnia, he left Sarajevo aged 17 to play in Switzerland. After a modest career, not sure what direction he wanted to take, Petkovic worked for Caritas, a Catholic relief, development and social service organisation.
Towards the end of his time in the job, he coached second division Bellinzona, gaining promotion and reaching the Swiss cup final where they lost to Basle.
But that aside, what, asked a sceptical Italian press corps, had Petkovic done to deserve a place on the Lazio bench and why had he been preferred to the front-running candidate Gianfranco Zola?
He hadn't won any major honours in Switzerland, after all, and had been sacked at Samsunspor in Turkey. "We chose Petkovic because of other qualities," Lazio president Claudio Lotito explained. "He is a polyglot."
Indeed he is. Petkovic speaks eight languages, a fact that has certainly helped his adaptation, the communication of his ideas and management of the dressing room.
His teams tend to play several formations too. Petkovic's influences are many and they include the manager of Tottenham's North London neighbours.
"I've watched how others coach," he told Il Corriere dello Sport. "Certainly I liked the ideas that Arsene Wenger had with Arsenal a lot. I have never copied, mixing things and ideas. I tried to steal everything that I found to be good from other coaches in order to develop my own ideas. For example, I have always liked the solidity of Fabio Capello."
So far Petkovic has proven to be an inspired choice of manager by Lazio. With more or less the same team as his predecessor, he has already given the impression that he has taken them on a level.
Tottenham should be wary.
Paul Gascoigne for Tottenham and Lazio
Joins Tottenham in 1988 from Saudi Sportswashing Machine for £2m
Plays 113 games for Spurs, scoring 33 goals
Reaches the World Cup semi-final with England at Italia 90 while a Tottenham player
A deal is agreed to sell Gascoigne to Lazio before the end of the 1990-91 season
Ruptures his cruciate ligaments in a foul on Nottingham Forest's Gary Charles in the 1991 FA Cup final, thus delaying his move to Italy
Misses the whole of the 1991-92 season because of injury
Eventually joins Lazio in the summer of 1992 for £5.5m
Plays 41 times for the Italian side, scoring six goals before joining Rangers in 1995
Lazio's 100% start to 2012-13
EL play-off 1: 2-0 v Mura
Serie A: 1-0 v Atalanta
EL play-off 2: 3-1 v Mura
Serie A: 3-0 Palermo
Serie A: 3-1 v Chievo Verona
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Gazza was invited tonight but couldnt make it due to personal reasons, shame
To be fair, this season they haven't come up against a Milan side, Juve, Roma or even Udinese. You can only beat what's in front of you, but it's not the most difficult start.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Real shame Ade is out for this one.
Our injury jinx is striking early this year - Parker, Kaboul, Livermore, Ade, BAE, Gomes - over half a team on the sidelines, albeit not all first team starters.
I would go with Dempsey up top for this one and keep Defoe for QPR.
Our injury jinx is striking early this year - Parker, Kaboul, Livermore, Ade, BAE, Gomes - over half a team on the sidelines, albeit not all first team starters.
I would go with Dempsey up top for this one and keep Defoe for QPR.
All fairly regular starters, but good to see we have enough cover to manage without being weaker.
stinkfoot
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Aaah brick. Can't believe Ade is out. I was looking forward to seeing him start a game as a full time employee.
--------------- Lloris
Walker - Dawson - Caulker - Naughton
--------- Sandro --- Hudd
------------- Dembele
------Lennon--------------Townsend
--------------Dempsey
COYS
--------------- Lloris
Walker - Dawson - Caulker - Naughton
--------- Sandro --- Hudd
------------- Dembele
------Lennon--------------Townsend
--------------Dempsey
COYS
superspurs
Justin Edinburgh
"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. We're nothing."
I know that's not as relevant today as it was when Bill Nicholson said it,attitude now is CL or nothing to some, but I'm please AVB seems to be taking the Europa more seriously.
Looking forward to the game tonight. COYMFS!
I know that's not as relevant today as it was when Bill Nicholson said it,attitude now is CL or nothing to some, but I'm please AVB seems to be taking the Europa more seriously.
Looking forward to the game tonight. COYMFS!
Hully
Tony Parks
I bet they were all a lot better than Reading!
We've had similar fixtures and come up well short so far.
paxtonwolf
John White
So much for him being back in Spetember. OS says 2/3 weeks before he's ready. New season, same cr#p when it comes to players recovery times.
Whats the betting we dont see Kaboul until 2013?
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Tottenham Hotspur are a club who's history is defined by European competition.
We were the first British club to win a major European trophy in 1963 when we won the European Cup Winners' Cup.
And we were the first British club to win two major European trophies when we won the UEFA Cup in 1972.
paxtonwolf
John White
I know what you mean, but tbh Defoe seems like the sort of guy that wants to play every week. The form he is in I would be inclined to play him in both, I'm sure he is more than fit enough to do both.
superspurs
Justin Edinburgh
You sir, are delightful.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Does that include their two games at the end of last season?
From what I can see so far this season they have won 3 league games and 2 EL games.
I would take that bet.
You must have at least included their game against Mura in the EL in your 7 game winning streak stat. I think Reading is better than the third place finisher in the Slovenian league.
Hully
Tony Parks
If I was Defoe I'd be very disappointed if I was dropped as soon as a big game came up, he's in form, he should continue to start.
Hully
Tony Parks
Fair enough, they probably are worse than Reading, just.
