OMT ** Tottenham Hotspur v Wolves ** 29 December 2024.

[Daveeeeeeeed]

Coward.

You actually care that much that he's gone out to the darts after the game? Johnson did too by the way.

Bit Weird.

 

[SpurMeUp]

It is interesting isn't it as well that the "our squad is too small" phalanx don't look at the fact that regardless of squad size, up and down the PL, you'll generally know 9 or 10 out of 11 players that will be turning out for any given club on any given match day if everyone is fit and available. Liverpool play mid-week and weekends. Salah starts every game when he's fit. So do all of their key players. Haaland starts every weekend and midweek for City fitness permitting. Rice, Saliba, Saka for Arsenal...

This idea that you need x2 similar quality players for every position in your team.- very few coaches actually want that. You end up with pressure to drop players, play other players and break up momentum.

Yes you need a squad and it would be good to have Richarlison available, but let's say he was, Solanke is still starting every game he's fit other than choice cup games.

So when I see people say "our players are running on fumes" i just kind of roll my eyes....if they are that's on the way we play and the way we train, not on the fact they're being selected all the time.

I think the point is the core players are playing the cup games too, because there is no choic. And over Xmas when you would rotate a little with games every 3 days or so, there isn’t the option to.

 

[SpurMeUp]

That was a sh** show of a performance. Result was ok, could have been worse. Could have been better. But anyone watching recent games thinking there is progress happening or the foundations being built for something need their head examining. If they're being honest most people that are "Ange in" at this point are not that way out because they think he's going to turn this around and create anything at Spurs, they're Ange In because they're tired and they can't be bothered with the club starting again after yet another poor choice of manager.

What if….the key variable to success is giving a manger time?

That none of our managerial appointments have actually been rubbish - as shown by these managers performance at other clubs - but simply being too trigger happy and not letting them address issues and build a team.

Maybe this isn’t a key variable, but what if it is the key variable that is holding us back?

 

[Kompakted]

What if….the key variable to success is giving a manger time?

That none of our managerial appointments have actually been rubbish - as shown by these managers performance at other clubs - but simply being too trigger happy and not letting them address issues and build a team.

Maybe this isn’t a key variable, but what if it is the key variable that is holiday is back?

Time for what? What are the foundations being built here? The signs of progress from, say, the first season or the first months of this season? The performances are worse than when he first arrived, not better. We are being plagued by muscle injuries (must have had more hamstring injuries in the 18 months Ange has been in charge than in the previous decade!)

 

[tommysvr]

What if….the key variable to success is giving a manger time?

That none of our managerial appointments have actually been rubbish - as shown by these managers performance at other clubs - but simply being too trigger happy and not letting them address issues and build a team.

Maybe this isn’t a key variable, but what if it is the key variable that is holiday is back?

No...I think he's on to something. Our 19th manager in 20-odd Premier League seasons is the one! He'll surely sort out the Tottenham Hotspur mess in 18 months!

 

[tommysvr]

Time for what? What are the foundations being built here? The signs of progress from, say, the first season or the first months of this season? The performances are worse than when he first arrived, not better. We are being plagued by muscle injuries (must have had more hamstring injuries in the 18 months Ange has been in charge than in the previous decade!)

1. Progress isn't linear
2. What evidence do you have that Ange is at fault for the injuries?

 

[Kompakted]

1. Progress isn't linear
2. What evidence do you have that Ange is at fault for the injuries?

1. What are the signs of progress for you?
2. I don't have "evidence", but definite suspicion based on a) press sources stating injuries are a fact of life under Ange and happened at all his previous clubs, particularly hamstring problems. b) Ange himself stating that injuries are part and parcel of how he plays and trains. c) the significant volume of injuries happening at similar points in time two seasons in a row and being concentrated in the same positions (defence) suggesting a pattern forming rather than coincidence.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

1. What are the signs of progress for you?
2. I don't have "evidence", but definite suspicion based on a) press sources stating injuries are a fact of life under Ange and happened at all his previous clubs, particularly hamstring problems. b) Ange himself stating that injuries are part and parcel of how he plays and trains. c) the significant volume of injuries happening at similar points in time two seasons in a row and being concentrated in the same positions (defence) suggesting a pattern forming rather than coincidence.

I'd add d) very few of our injuries are 'contact' injuries, which means either poor conditioning/preparation (and that's on our fitness coaches but Postecoglou decided to work with them in the first place) or there's simply too much strain on the players' muscles due to the intensity of efforts in matches and/or training.

 

[Kompakted]

I'd add d) very few of our injuries are 'contact' injuries, which means either poor conditioning/preparation (and that's on our fitness coaches but Postecoglou decided to work with them in the first place) or there's simply too much strain on the players' muscles due to the intensity of efforts in matches and/or training.

Yes, hamstring injuries are stress injuries and while I agree we can look at conditioning and preparation/recovery, there's only so much that can do. Elite athletes are elite athletes, but they're only humans. The more stress you put a muscle under, the more chance of it injuring. The more sustainec the stress is, the greater the cumulative impacts of that are. You can't get away from it: increase the stress = increase in stress injuries and what the fitness and physio departments can do with that is basically take the edge off it a bit and minimise the impact when the injuries do occur.

Drive a car hard all the time and having it serviced more often won't change the fact that wear and tear will be happening at a greater rate and the car won't last as long as if driven normally.

There's only so many hamstring injuries you can have before chronic inflammation occurs, the body deals by growing new tissue over the wound and you get build up of harder tissue in an area and scarring around an area with multiple issues and a players career becomes severely impacted. Look at sessegnon. I do worry that we are effectively ending Van der Ven's long term prospects for example...

 

[tommysvr]

1. What are the signs of progress for you?
2. I don't have "evidence", but definite suspicion based on a) press sources stating injuries are a fact of life under Ange and happened at all his previous clubs, particularly hamstring problems. b) Ange himself stating that injuries are part and parcel of how he plays and trains. c) the significant volume of injuries happening at similar points in time two seasons in a row and being concentrated in the same positions (defence) suggesting a pattern forming rather than coincidence.

1. There’s a number of different things. Squad changes, underlying stats, results of course. Probably other things. I think we’ve made great progress on the first two.

2. Sure…but I don’t think anything you’ve mentioned explains the sheer volume of injuries we’ve suffered from. This in another a completely new level to last season. The fact that these injuries are happening elsewhere suggest it’s not just Ange, but likely a combination of his intense style, a huge increase in matches worldwide, and the fact that each injury brings increased load for others. We still don’t have a squad he fully trusts, so we’ve seen him make questionable decisions about player workload. He’s not blameless, but I don’t think the entire blame should lie with him either.

 

[Baleforce]

I think the point is the core players are playing the cup games too, because there is no choic. And over Xmas when you would rotate a little with games every 3 days or so, there isn’t the option to.

There are registered outfield players who haven’t played a minute, Casanova, Hardy, King, Olusei, Ajayi and Williams-Barnett.

Reggie and Dorrington have only had a handful.

There was plenty of opportunity to use these players to give others a rest.

If Ange doesn’t trust them why have they been registered, why not keep Gil, PEH and Royal around for another season?

It’s a mess of his own making.

 

[SpurMeUp]

There are registered outfield players who haven’t played a minute, Casanova, Hardy, King, Olusei, Ajayi and Williams-Barnett.

Reggie and Dorrington have only had a handful.

There was plenty of opportunity to use these players to give others a rest.

If Ange doesn’t trust them why have they been registered, why not keep Gil, PEH and Royal around for another season?

It’s a mess of his own making.

Nonsense. You register youth player so they can train, advance and fill in in cup games with a sub appearance provided they are ready. But they have to show they are ready in training. If they aren’t - you don’t play them.

Postecoglou can not be slammed with not playing youth players. We have an 18 CB ffs. We use Bergvall in every game atm - another 18 year old.

Instead of manage things sensibly, you would select youth players who are not ready!? Throw them in against seasoned players, to allow them to be shown up? Unbelievable.

 

[Baleforce]

Nonsense. You register youth player so they can train, advance and fill in in cup games with a sub appearance provided they are ready. But they have to show they are ready in training. If they aren’t - you don’t play them.

Postecoglou can not be slammed with not playing youth players. We have an 18 CB ffs. We use Bergvall in every game atm - another 18 year old.

Instead of manage things sensibly, you would select youth players who are not ready!? Throw them in against seasoned players, to allow them to be shown up? Unbelievable.

I’d have used them in the league cup to give other players a rest, and rotate them into games already won, to give other players a rest.

The important bit, is giving other players a rest.

If they are not ready, they shouldn’t be in the squad, we should have kept some of the senior players we sold instead.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I’d have used them in the league cup to give other players a rest, and rotate them into games already won, to give other players a rest.

The important bit, is giving other players a rest.

If they are not ready, they shouldn’t be in the squad, we should have kept some of the senior players we sold instead.

You don’t get that youth players can develop? That you have them in there with a mandate to develop and if they do they get game time?

You would have thrown the league cup?

 

[Baleforce]

You don’t get that players can develop? That you have them in there with a mandate to develop and if they do they get game time?

You would have throw the league cup?

They don’t need to be registered to develop. By all means have 3/4 in there, we’ve got about 10.

I absolutely would have thrown the league cup yes, and I hope we bin off the FA cup too, we don’t have the capacity.

 

[glasgowspur]

I’d have used them in the league cup to give other players a rest, and rotate them into games already won, to give other players a rest.

The important bit, is giving other players a rest.

If they are not ready, they shouldn’t be in the squad, we should have kept some of the senior players we sold instead.

We tried a second string against Coventry and nearly got knocked out, are the kids really going to do better.
And how many of our past managers have been criticised for throwing the cups by not putting out strong teams.

 

[glasgowspur]

You actually care that much that he's gone out to the darts after the game? Johnson did too by the way.

Bit Weird.

It wasn't actually aimed at him being at the darts, although I can see how that is how it's being read and that's my fault for a lazy post.
He's a coward because he hides on pitch, digs players lower in seniority than him and offers no support.

 

[Baleforce]

We tried a second string against Coventry and nearly got knocked out, are the kids really going to do better.
And how many of our past managers have been criticised for throwing the cups by not putting out strong teams.

They don’t need to do better, they just need to handle someone else’s minutes.

By me, none.

 

[Bishop]

What if….the key variable to success is giving a manger time?

That none of our managerial appointments have actually been rubbish - as shown by these managers performance at other clubs - but simply being too trigger happy and not letting them address issues and build a team.

Maybe this isn’t a key variable, but what if it is the key variable that is holding us back?

The key variable is the one thats actually a constant. It goes by the name ENIC.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The key variable is the one thats actually a constant. It goes by the name ENIC.

And that ain’t gonna change anytime soon