*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United ***

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

2-0 in 2011. Think before that, it was ‘95 in the cup. Two years before that, Ossie’s team won 2-1 there and we also beat them 1-0 around 1984 or 1985 if I’m not wrong. Other than that, we haven’t won there since the Titanic sank.

It’s a ridiculous record for a club our size.

Size doesn't matter, if it did might as well just have the 4 biggest teams play between themselves and resolve the fixture congestion, sport like life is full of anomalies

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Huh? Replied to the wrong post?

Yep but I have been up since 5.30

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Won 3-2 there under Redknapp once I'm sure we did

I think we won 2-0, King and Sandro were brilliant.

 

[Kompakted]

I think we won 2-0, King and Sandro were brilliant.

I remember we won there. I was probably thinking of the 3-2 at the Emirates. That Redknapp team really broke the ceiling in respect of winning at those kind of places. AVB followed it up with the win at Old Trafford against Fergie United....

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

My son told me the "experts" on the after match analysis (bulls hit) explained how lucky we were, not often a team scores 4 lucky goals, our opponents had no lucky after scoring 2 sensational training ground goals and from a last minute corner. They really are pathetic in their desperate need to placate their big customer base rather than face facts.

 

[glorygloryeze]

My son told me the "experts" on the after match analysis (bulls hit) explained how lucky we were, not often a team scores 4 lucky goals, our opponents had no lucky after scoring 2 sensational training ground goals and from a last minute corner. They really are pathetic in their desperate need to placate their big customer base rather than face facts.

Wow, that is laughable. I'd take a bit of Kami-Kaze-Ange if it boils some p.iss in the SkySports studios

 

[DeanoAustin]

Size doesn't matter, if it did might as well just have the 4 biggest teams play between themselves and resolve the fixture congestion, sport like life is full of anomalies

I’d expect that over 112 years, we’d have won more than 4 times at that dump.

Likewise, I’d expect in 34 years that we’d have won more than once at Stamford Bridge.

Or that, since 1993, we’d have won more than once at Woolwich in the league.

Sometimes these runs do come to and end, like us not winning at Old Trafford between 1989 and 2013, but our bricky records away to these clubs do illustrate an underlying softness in the club’s make up that is too consistent over a long period to be considered an anomaly.

That said, we could field a team from this message board and still win at Emirates Marketing Project.

 

[Mikey10]

The game has got so tribal now, club fans don't want an entertaining game they want easy wins. It's very satisfying to sit and watch your team beat opponents by 3 or 4 goals but it lacks the excitement and tension which are to me an essential element in any competition.

We won, and that’s the main thing. It was an exciting game. That’s also great. We should have seen the game out with much, much, much less fuss than we did. We showed weaknesses in game management which have been with us for many months under Ange and it’s concerning to see them again.

It is possible to hold all of these views simultaneously. It doesn’t have to be binary.

The funny thing is if we were a “let’s win 1-0” team the stress wouldn’t change. It would still be there. The complaints would be about not getting the 2nd goal to kill a game.

I’d prefer to be a “3-0 up and see out the game quietly” team.

 

[Muttley]

How many would we need to lead by in the 1st leg to think we have a chance to go through at Anfield?

If we let the current 13th best team into a game under zero pressure, you've got to wonder how the system will fair against good opposition.

It is a future problem, don't get me wrong it's great to pick up two wins and the accompanying momentum, but the players are so very frail in their mentality, we need leaders who settle the younger players down to enable them to flourish, yet it's the experienced ones who are bricking the bed.

Is it the players being frail in their mentality, or are the tactics the frail thing? That ultimately means that our manager has frailties as he doesn't change the game in these situations to make sure we win. I think there is a middle ground somewhere. I'm OK with Ange not completely parking the bus, and we should always have outlets to score more. However, our shape when we have leads just needs to be less gung ho. That's what a winning mentality is, at least the way I think about what other winning teams do.

 

[DeanoAustin]

We won, and that’s the main thing. It was an exciting game. That’s also great. We should have seen the game out with much, much, much less fuss than we did. We showed weaknesses in game management which have been with us for many months under Ange and it’s concerning to see them again.

It is possible to hold all of these views simultaneously. It doesn’t have to be binary.



I’d prefer to be a “3-0 up and see out the game quietly” team.

Very good post. It’s an absolute rollercoaster of emotions watching us at the moment. Lots of good, some bad and untold stress. And it’s exhilarating in many ways after the brick we endured for years. But criticism is fair game.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I’d expect that over 112 years, we’d have won more than 4 times at that dump.

Likewise, I’d expect in 34 years that we’d have won more than once at Stamford Bridge.

Or that, since 1993, we’d have won more than once at Woolwich in the league.

Sometimes these runs do come to and end, like us not winning at Old Trafford between 1989 and 2013, but our bricky records away to these clubs do illustrate an underlying softness in the club’s make up that is too consistent over a long period to be considered an anomaly.

That said, we could field a team from this message board and still win at Emirates Marketing Project.

But it's a lovely fact to hit the club with isn't it, who needs Sky to knock us when we've got our own fans who do it so much better. I try to look forward and see the positives with the club, unpopular view.

 

[braineclipse]

fyi .. ffs I thought our fans are deluded

United's social media fudges are all spinning the story that they somehow bottled that game, and were unlucky? wtf, 2 of the luckiest goals (or least gifted goals) while conceding 4 and you think you deserved something?

To be fair it's definitely a game they could have won. Fairly close game up until our second goal, and again after their second goal.

Just to be clear making it a fairly close game overall with us missing that many players is rather good on our part. Vicario, Romero, VdV, Davies, Udogie, Bentancur, Odobert, Werner, Richarlison, Moore (am I forgetting someone?). Overall a good performance with some serious blips and issues being evident.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

We won, and that’s the main thing. It was an exciting game. That’s also great. We should have seen the game out with much, much, much less fuss than we did. We showed weaknesses in game management which have been with us for many months under Ange and it’s concerning to see them again.

It is possible to hold all of these views simultaneously. It doesn’t have to be binary.



I’d prefer to be a “3-0 up and see out the game quietly” team.

Perfectly true but many on here seem unable to find any joy in a win and are always looking for a negative in any part of the game. They are in for a very unfulfilled life is they expect perfection unless they are pessimist.

 

[braineclipse]

We won, and that’s the main thing. It was an exciting game. That’s also great. We should have seen the game out with much, much, much less fuss than we did. We showed weaknesses in game management which have been with us for many months under Ange and it’s concerning to see them again.

It is possible to hold all of these views simultaneously. It doesn’t have to be binary.



I’d prefer to be a “3-0 up and see out the game quietly” team.

Thought Ange and the players managed the game well outside of the two individual errors by Forster and the players struggling a bit after that when the momentum switched massively.

We tried to see the game out quietly. Not like we were pressing like lunatics at 3-0 or just throwing caution to the win on the ball and getting forward a ton. We played with some risk on the ball at the back as we should to try to see the game out quietly.

 

[braineclipse]

Very good post. It’s an absolute rollercoaster of emotions watching us at the moment. Lots of good, some bad and untold stress. And it’s exhilarating in many ways after the brick we endured for years. But criticism is fair game.

Criticism is definitely fair game. Though I also think it's fair game to disagree with that criticism.

It for sure is a rollercoaster. The second half against Southampton was a rare exception, rather boring and not much going on. Much prefer the roller coaster to boring stressful grind games under some of our previous managers.

For sure we can't rollercoaster our way to the kind of success we want. But for now I accept the rollercoaster, particularly given our injury situation.

 

[Muttley]

Criticism is definitely fair game. Though I also think it's fair game to disagree with that criticism.

It for sure is a rollercoaster. The second half against Southampton was a rare exception, rather boring and not much going on. Much prefer the roller coaster to boring stressful grind games under some of our previous managers.

For sure we can't rollercoaster our way to the kind of success we want. But for now I accept the rollercoaster, particularly given our injury situation.

lol - I didn't want a roller coaster. I wanted a comfortable 3-0 win.

Let other teams do that when I'm the neutral.

 

[Surfless]

2-0 in 2011. Think before that, it was ‘95 in the cup. Two years before that, Ossie’s team won 2-1 there and we also beat them 1-0 around 1984 or 1985 if I’m not wrong. Other than that, we haven’t won there since the Titanic sank.

It’s a ridiculous record for a club our size.

the titanic bit made me smirk

 

[Mikey10]

Thought Ange and the players managed the game well outside of the two individual errors by Forster and the players struggling a bit after that when the momentum switched massively.

We tried to see the game out quietly. Not like we were pressing like lunatics at 3-0 or just throwing caution to the win on the ball and getting forward a ton. We played with some risk on the ball at the back as we should to try to see the game out quietly.

We were running to take throw-ins and free kicks, and rushing goal kicks at 3-0 and 3-1 up. We can definitely be smarter.

I was pleased to see it improve at 3-2.

 

[spurspinter1]

Is it the players being frail in their mentality, or are the tactics the frail thing? That ultimately means that our manager has frailties as he doesn't change the game in these situations to make sure we win. I think there is a middle ground somewhere. I'm OK with Ange not completely parking the bus, and we should always have outlets to score more. However, our shape when we have leads just needs to be less gung ho. That's what a winning mentality is, at least the way I think about what other winning teams do.

I think it's the idea that we play the game irrelevant to the score. It's this romantic notion that we do what we do, we are who we are and that doesn't change depending on the game state.

We aren't going to suddenly turn into anti football bastards but maybe, just maybe we could ask Porro to stop bombing forward so much if we have a two goal lead and should be in control of a game.

It's well covered ground but if we can something this way, then brilliant. If it means we don't and we occasionally challenge for top 4, it's a step backwards from when we were regularly in the CL. But Levy told us we got our Tottenham back and that's what matters I guess? It doesn't matter whether we make progress, it matters that we continue to feel morally superior to every other club as we are the only ones to be doing things the right way on and off the pitch. But that is a big old tangent and potentially not for this thread, credit for Ange for getting through the last couple of games with limited resources, last night did not need to almost be another calamity for the ages. Can't remember who posted it but perhaps it's better to limp through to avoid getting carried away.

Edit - I will say that those who overreact to any criticism to the way we play, Ange literally said "It was tighter than it should've been". A positive result doesn't mean everyone just needs to either stfu or claim it was some kind of affirmation / vindication of "Angeball" (I get the feeling managers really hate the eponymous labels of styles of play as it's super lazy analysis but that's just my opinion). We have to improve to go further in this completion.

 

[harr1984]

lol - I didn't want a roller coaster. I wanted a comfortable 3-0 win.

Let other teams do that when I'm the neutral.

If we played a different way, we would never of been 3-0 up in the first place. At the end of the day we aren't the perfect team, and people will always find something to whinge about if they want to. Personally I'm just enjoying us playing some damn

good football win or lose because I was one of those who said after the Conte era I don't care about winning (because we don't do that however we play), just want to see us playing some good football. And unlike many on here who said it, I actually meant it....