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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United ***

SpurMeUp said:
Then you just invite pressure. We wouldn't have scored the 4th. And we'd have probably lost.

Can I ask, you must have loved Conte's tenure?
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There is a happy medium somewhere between the two extremes of Conte and Ange. Ange isn't a million miles off that but we are a bit too gung go with the calibre of player we have to be taken seriously.
 
Bishop said:
There is a happy medium somewhere between the two extremes of Conte and Ange. Ange isn't a million miles off that but we are a bit too gung go with the calibre of player we have to be taken seriously.
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I think if he had more than 3 players on the bench who had actually started a senior league game he may have made more changes
That 3 included Bergvall who started
When we play pool in the semi we’re missing Sarr and Maddison for the Hume leg so it gets even crazier
 
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braineclipse said:
To be fair it's definitely a game they could have won. Fairly close game up until our second goal, and again after their second goal.

Just to be clear making it a fairly close game overall with us missing that many players is rather good on our part. Vicario, Romero, VdV, Davies, Udogie, Bentancur, Odobert, Werner, Richarlison, Moore (am I forgetting someone?). Overall a good performance with some serious blips and issues being evident.
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Bruno put in 2/3 top quality balls a decent striker would have put away

Not that I care much, but Hojland has been very underwhelming, he looks so flat footed.
 
spurspinter1 said:
How many would we need to lead by in the 1st leg to think we have a chance to go through at Anfield?

If we let the current 13th best team into a game under zero pressure, you've got to wonder how the system will fair against good opposition.

It is a future problem, don't get me wrong it's great to pick up two wins and the accompanying momentum, but the players are so very frail in their mentality, we need leaders who settle the younger players down to enable them to flourish, yet it's the experienced ones who are bricking the bed.
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We've only lost games this season by a solitary goal so there lies your answer
 
Bishop said:
There is a happy medium somewhere between the two extremes of Conte and Ange. Ange isn't a million miles off that but we are a bit too gung go with the calibre of player we have to be taken seriously.
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It is wholly up to you whether you show faith and take us seriously or not. Did you watch the second half of the Southampton game? Did you watch Forster gift two goals last night? You know, maybe its your analysis that we shouldn't take seriously.
 
billyiddo said:
We've only lost games this season by a solitary goal so there lies your answer
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That is a genuinely interesting/ surprising stat, but sorry Billy I'm not seeing the link to my post. I suppose it props up our rather curious goal difference to where we lie in the table.

From that you could infer that we're quite hard to beat? Or that we manage to keep in games even if we lose a lot of them...I might be missing your point entirely, I almost certainly am!
 
spurspinter1 said:
That is a genuinely interesting/ surprising stat, but sorry Billy I'm not seeing the link to my post. I suppose it props up our rather curious goal difference to where we lie in the table.

From that you could infer that we're quite hard to beat? Or that we manage to keep in games even if we lose a lot of them...I might be missing your point entirely, I almost certainly am!
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Yes you are :tearsofjoy:

You asked how many we need to win by in the first leg to feel comfortable in the second - i was suggesting that as we never lose by more than 1 goal, a 2 goal lead going in to the 2nd leg would make us comfortable
 
spurspinter1 said:
How many would we need to lead by in the 1st leg to think we have a chance to go through at Anfield?

If we let the current 13th best team into a game under zero pressure, you've got to wonder how the system will fair against good opposition.

It is a future problem, don't get me wrong it's great to pick up two wins and the accompanying momentum, but the players are so very frail in their mentality, we need leaders who settle the younger players down to enable them to flourish, yet it's the experienced ones who are bricking the bed.
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Have we not played good opposition this season? Chelsea and the Goons beat us by a single goal, we beat Villa by 4 and City by 4 goals. Football doesn't work by saying 'this happened against the team 13th in the league, therefore this would happen against team x/y/z'.

It doesn't help that we don't have much to bring on to freshen it up, Man U can bring on Garnacho, Diallo, Marino at Zirkzee - Ange would be making subs a lot earlier and we could keep up the tempo better if we could use more of our squad so hopefully we figure out a better way to keep players fit....
 
tommysvr said:
But for 2 horrendous errors, that would have been the plan? Maybe our dominance would have led to a fourth, but I don’t think we ever plan to give away goals.
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Definitely not.

I do think we can - and should - be a bit more sensible when we have a 2 or 3 goal lead though. I was pulling my hair out in the stand last night watching us hare around to get the ball quickly back into play at 2 and 3 nil up, and even at 3-1 up. There are times we need to slow it down and be smart.
 
Mikey10 said:
Definitely not.

I do think we can - and should - be a bit more sensible when we have a 2 or 3 goal lead though. I was pulling my hair out in the stand last night watching us hare around to get the ball quickly back into play at 2 and 3 nil up, and even at 3-1 up. There are times we need to slow it down and be smart.
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This is the basis of all that people who critique Ange's methods for and seems to be massively missed by those who seem to take umbrage when there is any criticism...i don't get why, because if this was Bielsa, Roberto Martinez, Peter Bosch etc they would be critiquing in the same way...

You seemed to mention something about a coach behind Ange going apesh.it during the madness...whilst he stood there doing his usual...hmm, makes me wonder...
 
Mikey10 said:
Definitely not.

I do think we can - and should - be a bit more sensible when we have a 2 or 3 goal lead though. I was pulling my hair out in the stand last night watching us hare around to get the ball quickly back into play at 2 and 3 nil up, and even at 3-1 up. There are times we need to slow it down and be smart.
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But we’ve won more games by 3 or more goals than we’ve given up 2-0 leads. Just last weekend we showed how we can slow a game down when needed. And again, but for 2 horrendous errors I don’t think Man Utd were getting anywhere near us.

That’s not to say we can’t show a bit more maturity. After Forster’s first rooster up, we needed to go 10-15 mins without giving another dumb goal away. It’s a common theme that I’ve mentioned before where, in my opinion, we brick the bed when something goes against us. But I’m still more than confident those things are fixed with time and more (better) competition for places.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
It is wholly up to you whether you show faith and take us seriously or not. Did you watch the second half of the Southampton game? Did you watch Forster gift two goals last night? You know, maybe its your analysis that we shouldn't take seriously.
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I've watched the entire season if you haven't noticed a pattern of defensive frailties have a look at the stats. I get you overly optimistic and want to only see the positives but there is a middle ground. We aren't brick but we also aren't great.

Sorry I offend for being able to see this.
 
IulianSteaua said:
We need a DM or a CM which can handle defensive duties and moves the ball fast. We also need a LB. Spence has come în wonderfully but his natural position is RB and I am tired of improvisation. Udogie and Bissouma need proper competition for those spots. I heard that Vicario might be out for another 2 months, we also might need to take a look at a GK. That is the winter transfer business I am hoping the club addresses.
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You mean Gray?

Reg and Davis are LB's...

We need Philips back from loan so Davis can cover. Udogie
 
braineclipse said:
That is one of the benefits of an older more experienced backup GK. Should be better positioned to brush things like this off than a younger player lacking experience.

A lot of support from the staff for Forster heading off the pitch last night from what I could see on TV. Forster has bailed the rest of the team out in several games with some excellent saves. Yesterday the rest of the team bailed him out. Go again.

I think we can. I think it's very unlikely, but it's possible so of course we can.
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Would have liked to have seen some on the pitch. There might have been, but would have liked to seen someone walk up to him, and try and build up his confidence after the first mistake.

And it's not just today or Forster. We could do with someone just telling players that have this when things start to go sideways.
 
harr1984 said:
If we played a different way, we would never of been 3-0 up in the first place. At the end of the day we aren't the perfect team, and people will always find something to whinge about if they want to. Personally I'm just enjoying us playing some damn

good football win or lose because I was one of those who said after the Conte era I don't care about winning (because we don't do that however we play), just want to see us playing some good football. And unlike many on here who said it, I actually meant it....
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I think my point was about what you do when are 3-0 up, not what you do to get there.

We could absolutely adjust tactically mid-game and have the best of both worlds. I almost felt we did as well in the last round against City. We were awesome at defending a 1-0 lead, and making sure our keeper had little work to do. Where do we find the button that switches to that?
 
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