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* Official Pre-Season Games Thread *

Why Premier League clubs are rushing overseas for pre-season?

All 20 of England’s top-flight sides are leaving native shores to help build their global profiles this summer, but why are they doing so and what might be the pitfalls?

It might be an even wetter British summer than usual, but it is still an oddity to see not a single Premier League club miss the opportunity to spend their pre-season away from home.

In 2011, 18 of England’s top 20 sides used their preparation time to jet to all corners of the world, and this year, Fulham’s announcement of a trip to Germany made it a full house.

While the Cottagers join the likes of Norwich City and Southampton in making the now-almost-dull-by-comparison move to play two or three matches in central Europe, Emirates Marketing Project, Manchester United, who kick-off their tour of South Africa on Wednesday, and Chelsea are leading the way with high-profile jaunts to “key markets” in Asia and North America. But why do Premier League clubs spend their summers this way?

The root of the answer, of course, is money. As Barclays’ jaw-dropping £120 million three-year renewal of the division’s naming rights and primary sponsorship – an astonishing rise of £13m per year – proved, the English league is by some distance the biggest fish in the financial pond, and the rewards are there for those who can grasp them.

“Like any brand, they’re looking to access emerging markets or markets, potentially, that they’re weak in,” explains Adam Rain**** of Synergy Sponsorship.

“They will look at it purely tactically from a business-operation point of view in terms of ‘what are the emerging markets?’ or ‘what market do we want to go into?’ and then they’ll use the tour as their marketing tool in order to access that particular market.

“Manchester United have been everywhere from the Far East to the US – which they concentrated on for a couple of years – and it’s not by chance. The tour is the best way that they can launch or re-launch in a particular market into which you’re taking the product, because people can see the brand in action.”

With so many people in every corner of the globe glued to the television, the prospect of providing face-to-face context for that fanatical interest is lucrative.

Be it a Manchester United telecoms partnership in Pakistan or a Steven Gerrard-themed hotel in Indonesia, there is no industry that doesn’t want to be associated with the Premier League.

So a trip to, for example, Kuala Lumpur, where Emirates Marketing Project will head at the end of July, is a great way for the club to attract new local sponsors and use those sponsors to help gain exposure and, therefore, long-term support.

There will also be some influence from existing sponsors, as Rain**** continues: “If you look at Arsenal, they were going to go to Nigeria this year. Emirates are obviously their principal sponsor and if you look at the Emirates chief executive, last November he talked about China and Africa as being their key markets that they’re looking to expand their route network into.

“I think they’re key sponsors as well, so they’ll play a part in determining where the tour goes, and obviously for Emirates, a tour to Africa is very lucrative to them as well as Arsenal.

“I would still say that the primary reason is to develop new sponsorships, though. These big clubs, they split the globe up – so Man United will have an official mobile phone supplier in Asia, one in Africa, one in Europe and things like that, so they really carve the globe up and sell different packages in different areas.”

For all the bean-counting it is, of course, also an opportunity to give back directly to those supporters, who watch every week at ungodly hours of the night and spend so much on merchandise and TV subscriptions, by playing matches and making public appearances to meet their heroes. The Premier League may only listen to its heart when it can make money at the same time, but it does at least have one.

That said, another reason why clubs are so keen to play their pre-season games overseas is purely to get bums on seats. With preparatory matches being what they are, and Britain being a small enough country that most people can travel to see the big teams play during a regular season, attendances are low at home.

If Chelsea fly to USA, though, as they have done frequently in recent years, they can attract 69,000 fans for a game in Seattle and afford to charge essentially a regular-season ticket price in the process. A full, thrilled crowd is a bank-balance boost – and probably inspires the players to take the games more seriously, too.

Sometimes the decision is not so much about breaking new ground as merely keeping up with your rivals. Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger had steadfastly ignored the big summer tours for a long time before finally relenting and embarking on a pre-season tour of Asia in 2011, and the Gunners are doing the same this time around.

The Frenchman called it a “compromise” but, when the north Londoners must compete domestically with the ever-growing financial might of City, United and Chelsea, failure to keep up out of season could mean failure to do so during it.

“If you look at the Arsenal case – and I’m speculating here – I think that was a battle between the commercial and playing sides of it,” says Mr Rain****. “In terms of Arsene Wenger not wanting to take his squad halfway around the world to play in games that, to him, don’t matter in terms of development of his squad.

“On the other side, you’ve got the commercial team going ‘look, we’re falling behind Man United’ and things like that. I think for a couple of years there was a battle between those two sides of it, but ultimately, I think what they did to bring Wenger round, they needed to show the cold, hard commercials of such a tour, and in the end the commercial won out.

“They did risk falling behind the big clubs because this is where all the money’s coming from, the emerging markets, and the top Premier League clubs are in a great position to be able to capitalise on them.

“[The trip to Nigeria] was cancelled more for operational reasons than commercial so certainly, going forward, I think you’ll see Arsenal following suit with the big clubs.”

So it is that Arsenal will face Roberto Mancini’s side in Beijing’s Bird’s Nest Stadium on July 27, the first day of the London Olympics. That in itself will be a fascinating test of football’s pulling power, to see whether an essentially-meaningless match will be able to hold its own in the ratings stakes or be drowned under the Games’ pull. The Premier League’s rampant marketing drive suggests that it should still draw in plenty of interest.

Indeed, the sheer appeal of the league itself might create some openings for the smaller clubs to get a piece of the pie. “Much like the action on the field in the Premier League, there’s going to be the haves and the have-nots,” Rain**** adds.

“People talk about a two-speed Premier League in terms of playing, but I also think that, in terms of commercials, there’s a massive two-speed system where the big clubs are securing these deals.

“It all comes down to ‘what’s your reach?’, so Manchester United compared to Swansea City, the reach is clearly massively different. What these smaller clubs can look to do is ride on the coat-tails of the Premier League, because the Premier League itself is a huge global brand.

“Swansea being part of that gives them certain leverage in markets but it’s clearly not going to be on the same scale as the bigger clubs. But it’s good that they’re trying to, because they’re identifying the opportunity and trying to capitalise on it.”

We may have yet to see the potential pitfalls of these big tours at work. More frequent and extensive touring could bring concerns over player burnout before the hard work even begins, with matches in places like Abu Dhabi and Singapore often played in intense heat, not to mention the many hours of relentless travelling to and fro.

If the Community Shield is soon tempted to follow the Italian Supercoppa’s lead and move abroad as well, such an effect could start to pile up.

For now, though, the positives of the far-reaching pre-season tour are far outweighing the negatives for England’s elite – which is why this country’s training grounds will be 20 squads emptier for these next few weeks.

http://www.football-marketing.com/2012/07/19/premier-league-clubs-overseas-preseason/
 
Warrington Town 2 Stoke City X1 0

Pulis fielded a very youthful team apparantly, no stars in the X1, but hey \o/ Apparantly ex-Wale and United 'legend' Mickey Thomas made a cameo appearance for Town (how old must he be now?)
 
We've lost to FC Chemnitza and then won against AS Monaco so far, next up we play Fenerbache as the last game of our Germany and Austria tour and then have games against Olympiakos and SC Braga in the Algarve, Den Haag in the Netherlands and then finish off with an away game against Cardiff Red Socks or whatever they're called now.
 
We've lost to FC Chemnitza and then won against AS Monaco so far, next up we play Fenerbache as the last game of our Germany and Austria tour and then have games against Olympiakos and SC Braga in the Algarve, Den Haag in the Netherlands and then finish off with an away game against Cardiff Red Socks or whatever they're called now.

Would much rather spurs be doing preseasons like this but these days unfortunately it's about flying half way round the world and earning pennies for getting photos taken with a bunch of new age spastic fans in America
 
Would much rather spurs be doing preseasons like this but these days unfortunately it's about flying half way round the world and earning pennies for getting photos taken with a bunch of new age spastic fans in America

We did this last year, was a bit of perfection really playing games against Kansas City, Orlando and Columbus Crew, a stupid amount of travelling for the players.

We were supposed to be going to South Africa this year but we pulled out (not sure why).

We normally end with a home pre season game against a decent European side at St. James' Park (I think you often do similar?) but not this season due to the Olympic football at SJP.
 
Would much rather spurs be doing preseasons like this but these days unfortunately it's about flying half way round the world and earning pennies for getting photos taken with a bunch of new age spastic fans in America

Those 'new age spastics' could massively boost our income and greatly add to our fanbase. I'd rather we did that than continue to be virtually unknown outside the UK when compared to any of our rivals. Hell, even Emirates Marketing Project are better known overseas than Spurs are now. You never see kids with Spurs kits on overseas, and that's one of the reasons we're lagging behind the big boys in terms of finances.

Sure, when our new stadium finally goes up,we can stop these money-spinning tours overseas, but for now, they're rather useful, both to the club and to fans like myself who can't afford to travel 3500 miles to watch Spurs live.
 
Those 'new age spastics' could massively boost our income and greatly add to our fanbase. I'd rather we did that than continue to be virtually unknown outside the UK when compared to any of our rivals. Hell, even Emirates Marketing Project are better known overseas than Spurs are now. You never see kids with Spurs kits on overseas, and that's one of the reasons we're lagging behind the big boys in terms of finances.

Sure, when our new stadium finally goes up,we can stop these money-spinning tours overseas, but for now, they're rather useful, both to the club and to fans like myself who can't afford to travel 3500 miles to watch Spurs live.


Erm.. Even with a bigger stadium these money-spinning tours will continue to happen, because more money is always a good thing..


It's not like the teams with bigger stadiums then us play all their pre-season games in the UK...
 
Would much rather spurs be doing preseasons like this but these days unfortunately it's about flying half way round the world and earning pennies for getting photos taken with a bunch of new age spastic fans in America

Get fudged, I moved to London from Australia for 3 months to watch Spurs. I'm fudging delighted they're playing over here now so I can see them again.

People like you belong in the annoying fans thread.
 
Erm.. Even with a bigger stadium these money-spinning tours will continue to happen, because more money is always a good thing..


It's not like the teams with bigger stadiums then us play all their pre-season games in the UK...

True, but I'd wager we'll only do these tours on alternate years then. The benefits of a more rested squad would trump the loss of potential and realized income, something we can't really afford at the moment.
 
Would much rather spurs be doing preseasons like this but these days unfortunately it's about flying half way round the world and earning pennies for getting photos taken with a bunch of new age spastic fans in America

I'll say this here and in the open...your use of the word "spastic" is highly disrespectful and off base. The vast majority of "new age spastic fans in America" follow the Barcelonas, Madrids and Chelseas of the immediate world. Those "new age spastic fans in America" who follow Spurs deserve your undying respect.
 
I'll say this here and in the open...your use of the word "spastic" is highly disrespectful and off base. The vast majority of "new age spastic fans in America" follow the Barcelonas, Madrids and Chelseas of the immediate world. Those "new age spastic fans in America" who follow Spurs deserve your undying respect.

They deserve my undying respect? Umm no I don't think they do. No problem with anyone whos followed spurs over the years but gimps who have started following us since we got champions league or 'supported' Liverpool last year but now us as we 'came to town' can do one as far as I'm concerned. Slate me all you want it's my opinion and it won't change.
 
But anyway this is the preseason thread here's hoping avb liked the look of Townsend against Stevenage the other night and uses him Some more same goes for naughton hoping he's got a part to play for us this season. Kane I'm not so sure about maybe a season too early but no harm in him being around the first team over preseason.
 
They deserve my undying respect? Umm no I don't think they do. No problem with anyone whos followed spurs over the years but gimps who have started following us since we got champions league or 'supported' Liverpool last year but now us as we 'came to town' can do one as far as I'm concerned. Slate me all you want it's my opinion and it won't change.

I won't slate you, fella.

But I do think it's rather sad that you're so judgmental and rudely dismissive of these people on the basis of...........well, on the basis of fudge all, actually.

Me? I'm delighted to welcome anyone to the Spurs family, from whatever far flung corner of the world they might hail. In fact, I get an extra little kick of pride whenever I come across or read about any of our foreign fans. Good on 'em, I say. They're every bit as much Spurs fans as I am - regardless of where they live or how long they've been supporting Spurs.
 
i guess you could call me a new age spastic American


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Stacks of em on here :) and I don't know if we have many from Dubai, China etc. traditionally we pick up a lot of fans in Scandinavia too. But the US is a sensible market to explore, they love the commercialism of sport as we do. We will make more from selling shirts in the US because it is a much more controlled market. Finally, in terms of climate it is surely a better match.

I'm against any notion of playing full PL games abroad, or scheduling to fix overseas tv but I don't think we will ever go there, football is too strong on these shores. But it is an expanding market amongst the leading PL clubs and we have to keep up.

GO THE SPURS!
 
At the rate in which Asia and Africa are developing and that soccer is now becoming increasingly popular in the US, we're going to lose out in the long term if we don't do such tours every season. Look at Man U, they're argubly the biggest club in the world and you see the places they visit in the past few pre-seasons and you know why they are one of the richest clubs in the world and will remain so in the near future..
 
They deserve my undying respect? Umm no I don't think they do. No problem with anyone whos followed spurs over the years but gimps who have started following us since we got champions league or 'supported' Liverpool last year but now us as we 'came to town' can do one as far as I'm concerned. Slate me all you want it's my opinion and it won't change.

Everyone has to start somewhere. A lot of the older Spurs fans only started supporting the club because it was the biggest/most glamorous around at the time. they 'new age spastics' too? They've been around for decades, after all. So either they're new age spastics like the fans in America are, or they've 'proven' themselves by sticking around for a while, which is a very, very dangerous argument to make when it comes to football fan-dom, implying a sort of 'trial period' that all fans seemingly must have.

A supporter is a supporter, mate. Likes attractive, purposeful football? Knows what we stand for? Prepared to undergo a lifetime's worth of worry, anger, frustration, horror and downright despair just for one glimpse, just one fleeting moment of glory from the boys in lilywhite?

Then that person's a fan. Doesn't matter where they fudging come from or how long they've been fans. They're your fellows, brothers (and sisters) in arms. Till the day they keel over.

And I would say they do deserve your respect. Overseas fans don't have it easy, supporting Tottenham. For one, they're likely the only Spurs fans in their neighborhood, due to our distinct lack of a global profile. Secondly, they don't live within a stone's throw of the Lane, so they have to keep up with Spurs by watching often terribly unreliable streams at strange hours. Thirdly, there's no 'I was born into it/ school kids started supporting Spurs, so I did too' justifications for their support; they support Spurs because they chose to do it, and have since stuck by them even when that probably seemed like a bad decision. And fourthly, there are likely to be many more Arsenal fans than Spurs fans around the world, so they'll often be left trying to defend their corner alone or in small groups against the Gooner hordes, unlike in the vicinity of Tottenham/London where there is more safety in numbers.;)

They're as dedicated as you are. Possibly more so. And before you go 'no one's more dedicated than me!' reflect for a moment on the fact that they'll probably say the same, and have gone through just as many trials and tribulations as you have, but often with no fellow Spurs community within a fifty, a hundred, maybe a thousand miles.
 
They deserve my undying respect? Umm no I don't think they do. No problem with anyone whos followed spurs over the years but gimps who have started following us since we got champions league or 'supported' Liverpool last year but now us as we 'came to town' can do one as far as I'm concerned. Slate me all you want it's my opinion and it won't change.

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Everyone has to start somewhere. A lot of the older Spurs fans only started supporting the club because it was the biggest/most glamorous around at the time. they 'new age spastics' too? They've been around for decades, after all. So either they're new age spastics like the fans in America are, or they've 'proven' themselves by sticking around for a while, which is a very, very dangerous argument to make when it comes to football fan-dom, implying a sort of 'trial period' that all fans seemingly must have.

A supporter is a supporter, mate. Likes attractive, purposeful football? Knows what we stand for? Prepared to undergo a lifetime's worth of worry, anger, frustration, horror and downright despair just for one glimpse, just one fleeting moment of glory from the boys in lilywhite?

Then that person's a fan. Doesn't matter where they fudging come from or how long they've been fans. They're your fellows, brothers (and sisters) in arms. Till the day they keel over.

And I would say they do deserve your respect. Overseas fans don't have it easy, supporting Tottenham. For one, they're likely the only Spurs fans in their neighborhood, due to our distinct lack of a global profile. Secondly, they don't live within a stone's throw of the Lane, so they have to keep up with Spurs by watching often terribly unreliable streams at strange hours. Thirdly, there's no 'I was born into it/ school kids started supporting Spurs, so I did too' justifications for their support; they support Spurs because they chose to do it, and have since stuck by them even when that probably seemed like a bad decision. And fourthly, there are likely to be many more Arsenal fans than Spurs fans around the world, so they'll often be left trying to defend their corner alone or in small groups against the Gooner hordes, unlike in the vicinity of Tottenham/London where there is more safety in numbers.;)

They're as dedicated as you are. Possibly more so. And before you go 'no one's more dedicated than me!' reflect for a moment on the fact that they'll probably say the same, and have gone through just as many trials and tribulations as you have, but often with no fellow Spurs community within a fifty, a hundred, maybe a thousand miles.

Sorry but the thought of two Americans in a bar wearing an arsenal and spurs shirt squabbling over teams they've only ever seen on the big tv since product premiership existed I find quite frankly hilarious. To say I should respect them I find even more hilarious. Why would they be arguing anyway? I dont hate arsenal and their fans because I'm somehow just supposed to? I hate arsenal cos I've been to nlds grew up with the tossers and actually experienced their odious fans on a daily basis. The thought of two plastics arguing cos its in their 'how to be a spurs soccer customer' handbook makes me chuckle. Respect to the Scandinavians and dutch been coming since the 70s supporting us all over Europe no problem with that just hate the way modern footballs going. Didn't want to carry on ranting but fact posters on here think I should be showing them some sort of respect for watching spurs on tv for a few years felt if explain myself more. Again just my opinions don't hate me for thinking this way.
 
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