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O/T Olympic Football 2012

Leeds Spur said:
no - around £5 million a year with image rights......his basic wage is quite small, (in footballing terms)
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Ah ok I thought he earned more.

It's laughable that people would even suggest that he doesn't play in Europe anymore cos he "doesn't want to".

Why does Trevor Benjamin not play in the premier league anymore, does he not want to?
 
The fact is people know he'll sell some shirts and attract media attention so that is factored into the equation.

He could probably play in Seria A as they play a far slower game.

No way he would keep up in the EPL or La Liga IMO.
 
For me is always has been a overated player, i always remember what a truly great player once said about him.

He can not head a ball
He has no pace
He can not use his left foot
He can not dribble past a player
He can not tackle
So what the hell makes him world class.
 
parklane1 said:
For me is always has been a overated player, i always remember what a truly great player once said about him.

He can not head a ball
He has no pace
He can not use his left foot
He can not dribble past a player
He can not tackle
So what the hell makes him world class.
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A bit unfair. Still a professional footballer that could do all of the above a helluva lot better than 99% of the people on here, quite possibly including you. Yes, he didn't tend to go on mazy runs etc like Giggs but one of the reasons is because he's a winger whose strength was his crossing. And while Giggs can't beat players like in his heyday, Beckham will be able to put a ball on a 5p piece from 40 yards still. You don't lose stuff like that.

In answer to your question it was mainly his passing. Shooting to some degree, because when he got that right it was genius, and although he wasn't prolific he hit more wonder goals from distance than most midfielders. Matched only in the Premiership by Alonso and Ronaldo IMHO. But his passing and crossing, unrivalled.

Messi can't tackle, Buffon can't dribble, Maradona rarely used his right foot. Any of those not "World Class?".
 
chicken_badge said:
A bit unfair. Still a professional footballer that could do all of the above a helluva lot better than 99% of the people on here, quite possibly including you. Yes, he didn't tend to go on mazy runs etc like Giggs but one of the reasons is because he's a winger whose strength was his crossing. And while Giggs can't beat players like in his heyday, Beckham will be able to put a ball on a 5p piece from 40 yards still. You don't lose stuff like that.

In answer to your question it was mainly his passing. Shooting to some degree, because when he got that right it was genius, and although he wasn't prolific he hit more wonder goals from distance than most midfielders. Matched only in the Premiership by Alonso and Ronaldo IMHO. But his passing and crossing, unrivalled.

Messi can't tackle, Buffon can't dribble, Maradona rarely used his right foot. Any of those not "World Class?".
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But that was not what i thought, it was said by George Best who was a REAL world class player who could do all of those things unlike Goldenballs/
 
Beckham is 37 and semi-retired in the States, one of the poorest leagues going. Pearce ruled him out after watching him play last week. Against a load of quick 21 & 22 year olds he's look ridiculous. Pearce has done him a favour.

Make him assistant manager.

I want to see us have a real go at winning this.

I hope we sign one or two players from those on show, this is where the future stars will be found.
 
chicken_badge said:
A bit unfair. Still a professional footballer that could do all of the above a helluva lot better than 99% of the people on here, quite possibly including you. Yes, he didn't tend to go on mazy runs etc like Giggs but one of the reasons is because he's a winger whose strength was his crossing. And while Giggs can't beat players like in his heyday, Beckham will be able to put a ball on a 5p piece from 40 yards still. You don't lose stuff like that.

In answer to your question it was mainly his passing. Shooting to some degree, because when he got that right it was genius, and although he wasn't prolific he hit more wonder goals from distance than most midfielders. Matched only in the Premiership by Alonso and Ronaldo IMHO. But his passing and crossing, unrivalled.

Messi can't tackle, Buffon can't dribble, Maradona rarely used his right foot. Any of those not "World Class?".
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Beckham was a good long range passer.

You are really reaching if your defence of him is he's a better footballer than 99% of GG posters!! :)
 
parklane1 said:
But that was not what i thought, it was said by George Best who was a REAL world class player who could do all of those things unlike Goldenballs/
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Mate, don't get me started on George Best........!!!!!!
Didn't realise it was him who said that.

One thing Beckham had in bundles was mental strength. He was little more than a kid when he screwed up against Argentina, got dragged through the mill for that yet a year later was key to Man U winning a treble and had rebranded himself to be the most sought after image in the country. Four years later took his country to a World Cup, redemption against Argentina in a group game. Bar his red card in 1998 he has been nothing short of ambassadorial for his clubs and country, the two biggest scandals (Rebecca Loos and Fergies flying boot) were private affairs that still are possibly more rumour than anything.

He took his family to very different countries from home, managed the media, managed the excesses that could surround his life, to consistently play at the highest level. After Cantona and Schmeichel he was a key player in establishing a dynasty at Old Trafford, he has been a big player in establishing the sport in the USA, possibly the most hostile environment in the world to try and sell football.

George Best was mentally weak, weak, weak. For all his talent, he simply did not have the nerve to be a professional footballer.
 
chicken_badge said:
Mate, don't get me started on George Best........!!!!!!
Didn't realise it was him who said that.

One thing Beckham had in bundles was mental strength. He was little more than a kid when he screwed up against Argentina, got dragged through the mill for that yet a year later was key to Man U winning a treble and had rebranded himself to be the most sought after image in the country. Four years later took his country to a World Cup, redemption against Argentina in a group game. Bar his red card in 1998 he has been nothing short of ambassadorial for his clubs and country, the two biggest scandals (Rebecca Loos and Fergies flying boot) were private affairs that still are possibly more rumour than anything.

He took his family to very different countries from home, managed the media, managed the excesses that could surround his life, to consistently play at the highest level. After Cantona and Schmeichel he was a key player in establishing a dynasty at Old Trafford, he has been a big player in establishing the sport in the USA, possibly the most hostile environment in the world to try and sell football.

George Best was mentally weak, weak, weak. For all his talent, he simply did not have the nerve to be a professional footballer.
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I am sorry mate but that is rubbish, he was one of the greatest players ever.
 
chicken_badge said:
Mate, don't get me started on George Best........!!!!!!
Didn't realise it was him who said that.

One thing Beckham had in bundles was mental strength. He was little more than a kid when he screwed up against Argentina, got dragged through the mill for that yet a year later was key to Man U winning a treble and had rebranded himself to be the most sought after image in the country. Four years later took his country to a World Cup, redemption against Argentina in a group game. Bar his red card in 1998 he has been nothing short of ambassadorial for his clubs and country, the two biggest scandals (Rebecca Loos and Fergies flying boot) were private affairs that still are possibly more rumour than anything.

He took his family to very different countries from home, managed the media, managed the excesses that could surround his life, to consistently play at the highest level. After Cantona and Schmeichel he was a key player in establishing a dynasty at Old Trafford, he has been a big player in establishing the sport in the USA, possibly the most hostile environment in the world to try and sell football.

George Best was mentally weak, weak, weak. For all his talent, he simply did not have the nerve to be a professional footballer.
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I wouldn't call Best mentally weak, more self destructive, but that's a whole other thread. Best was the greatest footballer these isles has produced bar none.

Are we really comparing Best and Beckham?
 
parklane1 said:
Rorschach said:
Are we really comparing Best and Beckham?[/QUOTE]

It is stupid is'nt it.
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So, let me get this right:

-You quote Best who criticises Beckham for, amongst other things, pace and dribbling. Stuff which Best was good at, Beckham was not.
-I point out that it's not fair to judge a player on attributes which are not their primary skill, I try and help you out understanding this by showing examples of players who are world class who don't share those attributes. For example, Buffon who is a goalkeeper for the Italian national football team, has never shown that he can dribble a ball well, but it widely accepted as being world class.
-I go on to suggest that ONE ATTRIBUTE which you CAN compare all players with, all players, any player, is their mental strength. I think this is quite important in the game, I think I gave a reasonable account on how Beckham has coped well with challenges. (I'd be most interested by the way to hear what evidence you might be able to offer that George Best had any kind of willpower because from where I'm standing, he tinkled it all up the wall before he was 25). I'm not the one trying to judge players on attributes which are irrelevant, yet I'm the one getting called stupid? Nice one.

Look, I've had the whole George Best argument before, I swim against the tide as far as he's concerned and I know that the majority of people think he was the greatest player in the UK ever etc etc etc and to be honest, I know I probably ought to walk away from this one because I'll always be vastly outnumbered on this. My big gripe with him is mainly because I think he simply did not have the strength of character to put his ability to anywhere near its potential, in the same way that Bostock and Tarabat could well be the most talented players for Spurs over the last twenty years but ultimately we will probably never know because they dont have the mentality to make it work. The top level in Best's day was International football and he was anonymous there. Yes, he played for a mediocre team but if he was that good he would have made an impact. A career is 16,17 years in football, 4 or even 5 World Cups and if he was good enough he would have got Northern Ireland to at least one finals.

If I were to go down the route of compare Best as a complete player, well, maybe I'd start with Maradona. For those who say Best is up there with him and Pele, look how Maradona battled his demons, lost, fought back, lost, fought back. Still a passionate football man trying to impact the game with Boca, Argentina. He led an average team to World Cup victory, he dominated that tournament. He won league titles in very foreign countries, for teams who had been starved of success. How does Bestie compare to that?

Part of being a bloody good player is coping with being a bloody good player and Best couldn't, so he isn't. For me, Best will be found wanting compared to any other man who managed to cope with a 20 year career in football, showbiz, or anything else to be honest. We all have our stresses, we deal with it. Here we go, bring on the flames but to be honest, finding out that that ridculous quote came from probably the biggest failure in the British game makes my blood boil.
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parklane1 said:
For me is always has been a overated player, i always remember what a truly great player once said about him.

He can not head a ball
He has no pace
He can not use his left foot
He can not dribble past a player
He can not tackle
So what the hell makes him world class.
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He can hit a mosquito's left nut with the ball from 50 meters away.

I have never seen a better crosser of the ball than Beckham and the only free kick taker that can compare with him is Juninho.There is a reason why he was playing for the 3 biggest clubs in the world...
 
Jurgen the German said:
Ah ok I thought he earned more.

It's laughable that people would even suggest that he doesn't play in Europe anymore cos he "doesn't want to".

Why does Trevor Benjamin not play in the premier league anymore, does he not want to?
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Why were we trying to sign him then? And why did Milan take him on loan? Most PL clubs would still take him and he'd be as good as Giggs, better than Bellamy.
 
We never tried to sign him. Any club linked to him wants the shirt sales and media attention. He is so past it it's unreal.
 
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