New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Hahaha I saw that one, in fairness there are some surprisingly rational takes after because it exposes the fact that despite the universally used get out of free jail terms like "sources" it shows all info should be taken with a punch of salt

When talking in terms of "sources" it should be a mine of salt rather than a pinch.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Hahaha I saw that one, in fairness there are some surprisingly rational takes after because it exposes the fact that despite the universally used get out of free jail terms like "sources" it shows all info should be taken with a punch of salt

They all have advertising to sell

 

[Grays_1890]

Some have legit sources, but then they start adding their own stuff to create a bigger story and get more clicks.

Slot being one of several considered by Spurs and his agent going to Rotterdam for a meeting suddenly becomes the drama of the week.

Oh of course but I think the nature of the sport and the ever changing landscape means that even with sources its very rare that any journalist gets alot right all the time. I would love someone to start collecting data on predictions based on so called sources and what materialises, I doubt it would be very high

 

[Gutter Boy]

What you are saying doesn't make any sense. If he had said there was concrete interest and an offer, but that he chose to stay with Feyenoord to build upon what he had achieved with them, that would have gotten his doubters more on his side. Saying there was no concrete interest makes it sound like he signed a new contract because nobody wanted him. Yet that is exactly what he said. So I would take his words at face value rather than try to read between the lines.

Based on what he said, it seems to me that we were interested, but not that he was The Man as the media made it out to be. Which begs the question: who is The Man? In the summer of 2021 it was clear that it was Conte and after him we were just going through a list. In the summer of 2023 I have no idea and I'm also having a hard time buying the "Spurs don't have a top target, but rather a list of preferred candidates they are going through" narrative. There has to be someone that is heads and shoulders above the rest, but no one knows who he is. I'm just hoping that this is a good thing and that the manager that will eventually be unveiled is an excellent choice.

I reckon it's got to be either Spalletti or Lopetegui. The way they are both - unprovoked and after success - engineering their way out of their current clubs makes it feel like they have something lined up.

 

[Mikey10]

I reckon it's got to be either Spalletti or Lopetegui. The way they are both - unprovoked and after success - engineering their way out of their current clubs makes it feel like they have something lined up.

Ah - a bloke who would have just left mid-table Wolves.

Again.

Excellent.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Ah - a bloke who would have just left mid-table Wolves.

Again.

Excellent.

One that has won the EL though, and managed Spain and Madrid.

Also Wolves are the only club to have been bottom at Christmas (when he took over) and not be relegated - they are currently 10 points clear of the bottom 3

 

[Mikey10]

One that has won the EL though, and managed Spain and Madrid.

Also Wolves are the only club to have been bottom at Christmas (when he took over) and not be relegated - they are currently 10 points clear of the bottom 3

Fair points.

 

[Mcfee]

If we were so interested in him, why would he not come out and say we were in for him but he wanted to stay with Feyenord? That would boost his profile and the clubs that he rejected a 'bigger' club and would look like even more of a hero to the fans. Yet he says there has been no real interest. I think I'll listen to the guy closest to the matter at hand on this occassion.....

He’s just won the league so he’s already a hero to Feyenoord fans. He doesn’t need to posture. Maybe he is a man of some integrity who believes in confidentiality. He’s flattered by our approach but recognises that going public about it would compromise our efforts regarding other candidates. Nobody wants to be seen as second choice (though they probably are let’s face it).

 

[Mcfee]

I reckon it's got to be either Spalletti or Lopetegui. The way they are both - unprovoked and after success - engineering their way out of their current clubs makes it feel like they have something lined up.

We were in for him 2 years ago so there might be something to that.

 

[scaramanga]

He’s just won the league so he’s already a hero to Feyenoord fans. He doesn’t need to posture. Maybe he is a man of some integrity who believes in confidentiality. He’s flattered by our approach but recognises that going public about it would compromise our efforts regarding other candidates. Nobody wants to be seen as second choice (though they probably are let’s face it).

In which case the obvious choice is to say nothing, rather than flat out like about something that could very easily be disproven.

 

[thfcsteff]

Sums up the media perfectly.

One of the replies to that "Maybe if the club communicated with us we’d have a clue", yes the club is going to keep everyone updated on confidential negotiations. Every time I read Twitter I can feel myself getting stupider (and yes I know I'm stupid enough already)

The club is macaronIC when it comes to dictating narratives in media. If you don't get ahead of them, the media will have their way. ALL we needed to do when we appointed Mason is say something to the effect of - "We are committed to making sure the next appointment is right for the club in all manner of ways, and as such, we will be reviewing possibilities over the coming weeks with no decision to be made until after the season ends."

And stick to it. Say nothing else. Even when it is clear that a camp such as Nagelsmann's has leaked some info to the press. Ignore it. When asked, repeat the mantra.

Instead, we always REACT with some rubbish. We did it with Nagelsmann, and we did it again with Slot, in fact we even tried to seed the idea that he has used us to get a fatter contract, as if he had somehow 'seduced' us with promises when he knew all along he wasn't interested. As if he'd need us to get a better contract, having just won the league, got into the CL and become a 'property'.

Our inability to control narratives from the start is as much of an issue as any issue itself.

 

[thfcsteff]

In which case the obvious choice is to say nothing, rather than flat out like about something that could very easily be disproven.

I think we wanted him to bring the price down by telling Feyenoord he wanted out. That would've left him getting it from their fans as he could be painted as 'the villain.' Time and time again (and again, I am speculating) we like to try and muddy the waters, sweeten it a bit more, get a little chipped off the block...negotiation is one thing, trying to be snide about it all is quite another...

 

[scaramanga]

The club is macaronIC when it comes to dictating narratives in media. If you don't get ahead of them, the media will have their way. ALL we needed to do when we appointed Mason is say something to the effect of - "We are committed to making sure the next appointment is right for the club in all manner of ways, and as such, we will be reviewing possibilities over the coming weeks with no decision to be made until after the season ends."

And stick to it. Say nothing else. Even when it is clear that a camp such as Nagelsmann's has leaked some info to the press. Ignore it. When asked, repeat the mantra.

Instead, we always REACT with some rubbish. We did it with Nagelsmann, and we did it again with Slot, in fact we even tried to seed the idea that he has used us to get a fatter contract, as if he had somehow 'seduced' us with promises when he knew all along he wasn't interested. As if he'd need us to get a better contract, having just won the league, got into the CL and become a 'property'.

Our inability to control narratives from the start is as much of an issue as any issue itself.

I'm pretty sure the club hasn't said anything about our managerial search.

It only matters if people care about what's written in the press. Those capable of independent thought don't and professionals won't. The rest can think what the fudge they like - the club would be better off selling their STs to someone else.

 

[scaramanga]

I think we wanted him to bring the price down by telling Feyenoord he wanted out. That would've left him getting it from their fans as he could be painted as 'the villain.' Time and time again (and again, I am speculating) we like to try and muddy the waters, sweeten it a bit more, get a little chipped off the block...negotiation is one thing, trying to be snide about it all is quite another...

I think Occam's razor puts that quite a way down the list of possibilities.

 

[thfcsteff]

I'm pretty sure the club hasn't said anything about our managerial search.

It only matters if people care about what's written in the press. Those capable of independent thought don't and professionals won't. The rest can think what the fudge they like - the club would be better off selling their STs to someone else.

I agree with you largely, I just think a blanket statement ahead of the churn means that when the churn happens, we don't end up with these cringeworthy feeders like 'we were never interested in Nagelsmann' and 'some at the club feel that Slot used them"...

 

[thfcsteff]

I think Occam's razor puts that quite a way down the list of possibilities.

Perhaps.
You don't have to look too far to see where (and how) we've pinched pennies/tripped over pounds to pick up pennies...

 

[tommysvr]

The club is macaronIC when it comes to dictating narratives in media. If you don't get ahead of them, the media will have their way. ALL we needed to do when we appointed Mason is say something to the effect of - "We are committed to making sure the next appointment is right for the club in all manner of ways, and as such, we will be reviewing possibilities over the coming weeks with no decision to be made until after the season ends."

And stick to it. Say nothing else. Even when it is clear that a camp such as Nagelsmann's has leaked some info to the press. Ignore it. When asked, repeat the mantra.

Instead, we always REACT with some rubbish. We did it with Nagelsmann, and we did it again with Slot, in fact we even tried to seed the idea that he has used us to get a fatter contract, as if he had somehow 'seduced' us with promises when he knew all along he wasn't interested. As if he'd need us to get a better contract, having just won the league, got into the CL and become a 'property'.

Our inability to control narratives from the start is as much of an issue as any issue itself.

I agree in parts; I'm glad the club doesn't air a lot of his laundry in public though there are definitely times when coming out on the front foot would help.

People often talk about the media having an agenda against Spurs. I don't believe that. I just think we're a very big club with a lack of success, a fanbase that is desperate to be good again and a chairman that's painted as this semi-evil character.

One thing I've been thinking about lately is how battered we get in the press in comparison to other teams. I feel like part of our PR strategy should be to get an ex-player or two out there as a pundit to properly defend the club. The ex-players that I can think of at the moment are:

Lineker (BBC) - more Leicester, the host and Mr Uncontroversial
Jenas (BBC) - I don't think many would consider him 'Spurs'
Danny Murphy (BBC) - Liverpool
Crouch (BT) - played at many clubs, more of a 'banter' kind of pundit
Jamie Redknapp (Sky) - Liverpool and with a pretty heavy axe to grind on behalf of his dad
Jamie O'Hara (Talkspot) - bit of a muppet on a show and station full of muppets. Does stick up for us, but it's a very dull argument

Then you get those that they roll out for matches
Danny Rose (Sky, recently) - didn't have a great experience at the end
Robbie Keane - seems like a good candidate for some PR
Glenn Hoddle - more analytical than emotional whenever I've seen him as a pundit
Ledley King - officially employed by the club and Mr. Nice

You compare that with some of the others out there; Neville, Keane, Carragher, Richards etc. They will all criticise their own club by my word they also defend them and promote them at times too.

I readily acknowledge that this could all be complete and utter gonad*s but I do wish we had someone out there sticking up for us in the press. Trying to control this narrative that's just completely gone out of control.

I hope our next manager can be a bit of a clam in this way. Conte was the opposite, joining the press in criticising and complaining about the club at every point.

 

[Gazza]

I agree in parts; I'm glad the club doesn't air a lot of his laundry in public though there are definitely times when coming out on the front foot would help.

People often talk about the media having an agenda against Spurs. I don't believe that. I just think we're a very big club with a lack of success, a fanbase that is desperate to be good again and a chairman that's painted as this semi-evil character.

One thing I've been thinking about lately is how battered we get in the press in comparison to other teams. I feel like part of our PR strategy should be to get an ex-player or two out there as a pundit to properly defend the club. The ex-players that I can think of at the moment are:

Lineker (BBC) - more Leicester, the host and Mr Uncontroversial
Jenas (BBC) - I don't think many would consider him 'Spurs'
Danny Murphy (BBC) - Liverpool
Crouch (BT) - played at many clubs, more of a 'banter' kind of pundit
Jamie Redknapp (Sky) - Liverpool and with a pretty heavy axe to grind on behalf of his dad
Jamie O'Hara (Talkspot) - bit of a muppet on a show and station full of muppets. Does stick up for us, but it's a very dull argument

Then you get those that they roll out for matches
Danny Rose (Sky, recently) - didn't have a great experience at the end
Robbie Keane - seems like a good candidate for some PR
Glenn Hoddle - more analytical than emotional whenever I've seen him as a pundit
Ledley King - officially employed by the club and Mr. Nice

You compare that with some of the others out there; Neville, Keane, Carragher, Richards etc. They will all criticise their own club by my word they also defend them and promote them at times too.

I readily acknowledge that this could all be complete and utter gonad*s but I do wish we had someone out there sticking up for us in the press. Trying to control this narrative that's just completely gone out of control.

I hope our next manager can be a bit of a clam in this way. Conte was the opposite, joining the press in criticising and complaining about the club at every point.

Conte was the ultimate clam, and his complaints were valid as he is entitled to his opinion ... afterall he knows this club and the constraints better than you and I.

I think he shouldn't be condemned for his rant most of it was passionate and unfortunately true.

 

[90291Spur]

Conte was the ultimate clam, and his complaints were valid as he is entitled to his opinion ... afterall he knows this club and the constraints better than you and I.

I think he shouldn't be condemned for his rant most of it was passionate and unfortunately true.

In my opinion he shouldn't have made it in public. I've said it before, but to me, it was like pouring out petrol, lighting a match and leaving the building. And destroyed any chance the fragile squad would have of bouncing back. And it was totally in character.

 

[tommysvr]

Conte was the ultimate clam, and his complaints were valid as he is entitled to his opinion ... afterall he knows this club and the constraints better than you and I.

I think he shouldn't be condemned for his rant most of it was passionate and unfortunately true.

Whether it’s true or not, he’s an employee of the club and his final press conference was a disgrace. But he was picking away at the club throughout his time. He never wanted to be there.