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Mohammed Kudus

thfcsteff said:
It just circles back to how utterly overplayed Kudus was. Ridiculous as Frank was aware of what the issues overplaying our players -especially internationals- were. It makes the quick sale of Johnson even more ridiculous than it was in the first place. I mean, he shoulds've been used more in rotation with Kudus (I know they have different styles and attributes, but the 'flexible tactician' could surely have worked with that). His inability to rotate the player properly and get rid of his back-up/competition looks worse every passing minute (and it looked poor to me at the time)...
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I think Frank basically painted himself into a corner in what was a bit of a perfect storm for him. I believe he's a much better coach than he was able to show here, but he didn't trust the squad to perform, and he over-reduced the problem to a point that he started to see things as a foregone conclusion. The players (some of whom thought they were a level above his management and therefore didn't afford him a lot of respect to begin with) accordingly did the same. He over-thought the whole thing, as I suspected he might. He then became desperate, lost the head on selection issues, and the wheels very soon came off altogether. All things considered, it was an awful appointment, made exponentially worse by the hubristic myopia of the now powers-that-be.
 
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thfcsteff said:
It just circles back to how utterly overplayed Kudus was. Ridiculous as Frank was aware of what the issues overplaying our players -especially internationals- were. It makes the quick sale of Johnson even more ridiculous than it was in the first place. I mean, he shoulds've been used more in rotation with Kudus (I know they have different styles and attributes, but the 'flexible tactician' could surely have worked with that). His inability to rotate the player properly and get rid of his back-up/competition looks worse every passing minute (and it looked poor to me at the time)...
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And it is really no surprise what has happened to some other players either. We were all marvelling at how Kulusevski managed to just keep on playing on fumes week after week last season...."don't know how he does it" we all said....turns out his body didn't know how he did it either and is now totally f*cked.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
And it is really no surprise what has happened to some other players either. We were all marvelling at how Kulusevski managed to just keep on playing on fumes week after week last season...."don't know how he does it" we all said....turns out his body didn't know how he did it either and is now totally f*cked.
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Indeed mate...
 
thfcsteff said:
It just circles back to how utterly overplayed Kudus was. Ridiculous as Frank was aware of what the issues overplaying our players -especially internationals- were. It makes the quick sale of Johnson even more ridiculous than it was in the first place. I mean, he shoulds've been used more in rotation with Kudus (I know they have different styles and attributes, but the 'flexible tactician' could surely have worked with that). His inability to rotate the player properly and get rid of his back-up/competition looks worse every passing minute (and it looked poor to me at the time)...
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You might be right but I'm not sure Brennan was even 2nd choice backup to Kudus in Frank's setup. He used him early doors on the left and he wasn't a complete disaster there. If we remember the early commentary on Frank's Spurs we were saying that the right side looked pretty decent but we had nothing on the left so we channeled everything through Kudus. Frank probably felt that if he had switched in Johnson for Kudus then he lost that as Johnson is only a "moments" player. I think Frank would have rather had any of his right players or forwards there if they were able to hold the ball up.

Frank got it so wrong in my opinion. He should have fixed that central area and not put so much emphasis on the channel.
 
Muttley said:
You might be right but I'm not sure Brennan was even 2nd choice backup to Kudus in Frank's setup. He used him early doors on the left and he wasn't a complete disaster there. If we remember the early commentary on Frank's Spurs we were saying that the right side looked pretty decent but we had nothing on the left so we channeled everything through Kudus. Frank probably felt that if he had switched in Johnson for Kudus then he lost that as Johnson is only a "moments" player. I think Frank would have rather had any of his right players or forwards there if they were able to hold the ball up.

Frank got it so wrong in my opinion. He should have fixed that central area and not put so much emphasis on the channel.
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Not rotating Odobert in more was the kuch bigger issue than Johnson. And when this finally got forced on Frank, Odobert started showing he was actually capable
 
Gutter Boy said:
Not rotating Odobert in more was the kuch bigger issue than Johnson. And when this finally got forced on Frank, Odobert started showing he was actually capable
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Good point. I would say the same about Tel. I know he's a leftie but he can still play on the right.

The player I've taken issue with is Muani. Whilst he is new to the PL, he is 27 years old. He should have applied himself much better at Spurs and given his managers more to work with. I can forgive Solanke as I just don't think we've ever got him to full fitness. Richi has given his all whilst Simons hasn't obviously hit his stride but shown some good moments. I think he plays in the tougher role though, especially in the PL.
 
Bishop said:
Supposedly the club didn't follow through with the results of his investigations, rather than getting worse as a result of the plans he Instigated.
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That was just Munn's retaliation in first account. But I wouldn't particularly trust him to tie his own shoelaces from what we saw of him
 
Gutter Boy said:
That was just Munn's retaliation in first account. But I wouldn't particularly trust him to tie his own shoelaces from what we saw of him
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We actually know very little about Munn. Lot's of fan conjecture but nobody wants to give any detail that has any substance behind it.

Perhaps he was just like Prince in the 90's.......ahead of his time.
 
Muttley said:
I genuinely don't know the answer to this but Johnson has had a strange old season. Across the 2 clubs he's played for this season he's looked anything but the goalscoring player of the 24/25 season. He's not yet registered a goal for Palace and is barely getting an7 7/10 ratings in games.

I guess it's about what narrative you want to create. You could easily say it was him not being loved by Frank that killed his momentum and he hasn't yet got his mojo back at Palace. You could also say we did well shifting him when we did.

There is a lot unanswered about Brennan in my opinion. Seems a great kid though, who you want to do well. I'm just not sure he's ever going to be that great.
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Johnson scored because of Ange's system. It's not really that complicated, put him in a system where he can latch onto tapin type scenarios and he will do well in terms of finishing them, but expect him to create something himself and forget about it.
 
thfcsteff said:
It just circles back to how utterly overplayed Kudus was. Ridiculous as Frank was aware of what the issues overplaying our players -especially internationals- were. It makes the quick sale of Johnson even more ridiculous than it was in the first place. I mean, he shoulds've been used more in rotation with Kudus (I know they have different styles and attributes, but the 'flexible tactician' could surely have worked with that). His inability to rotate the player properly and get rid of his back-up/competition looks worse every passing minute (and it looked poor to me at the time)...
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No he shouldn't have rotated Kudus with Johnson. He could have possibly discovered Odobert's quality on the right, or just brought in a competition option to rotate with Kudus. Playing Johnson was never any kind of answer.
 
Bishop said:
No he shouldn't have rotated Kudus with Johnson. He could have possibly discovered Odobert's quality on the right, or just brought in a competition option to rotate with Kudus. Playing Johnson was never any kind of answer.
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I agree, but the key thing was to get Kudus off the pitch.
Frank could have rotated Kudus with Austin and it would have been better than playing Kudus in every second until he exploded.
Same as Deki before him; played in every game until he was unable to sprint, labouring around, then gets that crazy injury from being utterly spent.
 
thfcsteff said:
It just circles back to how utterly overplayed Kudus was. Ridiculous as Frank was aware of what the issues overplaying our players -especially internationals- were. It makes the quick sale of Johnson even more ridiculous than it was in the first place. I mean, he shoulds've been used more in rotation with Kudus (I know they have different styles and attributes, but the 'flexible tactician' could surely have worked with that). His inability to rotate the player properly and get rid of his back-up/competition looks worse every passing minute (and it looked poor to me at the time)...
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Running players into the ground until they suffer long term (potentially career destroying) injuries you say…

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Bishop said:
Johnson scored because of Ange's system. It's not really that complicated, put him in a system where he can latch onto tapin type scenarios and he will do well in terms of finishing them, but expect him to create something himself and forget about it.
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Which of course begs the question why Palace bought him. If what you're saying is that it is easy to get goals out of Brennan then why can't his new club unlock it. What is also clear is that at some stage we'll need to unlock Kudus's and Odobert's goal threat.
 
Muttley said:
Which of course begs the question why Palace bought him. If what you're saying is that it is easy to get goals out of Brennan then why can't his new club unlock it. What is also clear is that at some stage we'll need to unlock Kudus's and Odobert's goal threat.
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Because to get those kind of chances you need to make sacrifices elsewhere and no one other than Ange plays that way in the PL. The high press, high possession, high rotation, low crosses across the box re what creates the space for him. Palace don't play that football hence him not getting the same number of chances for them, just like Frank didn't play that style and The chances drying up for him here also.
 
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