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Mauricio Pochettino

glasgowspur said:
End was bad because the team was run into the ground and was not refreshed. Some of that was down to manager, a lot down to the club.

Eriksen always said he would move on, nothing to do with Poch.
Toby was done, it was a mistake to hang onto him, if anything we should have shipped him out and kept jan.
Jose, nuno and conte have all been poor at subs, maybe we should start looking at the quality the club puts on the bench.
Some of that feeds into your other points, youth are going out on loan now, don't see any making the step up.
Not by any means saying poch is blameless, but let's look at how the direction the ckub are going in, the model that the club, the fans and the manager were all veey happy with and had brought us to our best PL era results has now been jettisoned for a model the fans don't won't the club won't back and the managers onky seem to be here for the cash.
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Yeh Eriksen was well gone before and in actual fact Poch was nailed on with Toby which caused their slight rift, he knew their legs were going, talk was it was Poch that was reticent to give him this all singing all dancing contract of which he was ultimately proven right on as no one else wanted him for that money and he signed for less.

At the end of the day, Poch was excellent for us, his faults at the end were like now, a joint effort, probably right he went for his benefit (I think he had time in the bank still) but it takes a creative man to suggest he was not right about how he saw this ship going, he knew what was needed, yes he was at the helm at the time, but whats come since proves that he was a smart cookie
 
afsoc4life said:
I would be firmly with Levy if Pochettino joins Chelsea. That will let me know a bit more about the man. I doubt he would join Chelsea not after the way our matches vs them went.
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I absolutely hate Chelsea but at club level that hate is not extended like it is Arsenal, no way near. And whats the bloke to do, we don't want him, sit out a job?

I mean he is damned if he is and damned if he don't "no big club wants him" ohh "Chelsea want him but if he goes there he is a cnut" I mean our fans are confused as fcuk about what they want and think at times I swear
 
glasgowspur said:
Nagelsman seems to be the favourite, he's available, reports say he's willing, so why not go and get him?
I have to say that he wouldn't be my choice, but do we really think that there's better out there?
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Simplistic, he's not quite "available". Bayern has put him on gardening leave because they owe him a brickload of money, so by not outright firing him, they are hoping to negotiate some of that from his next club.

So we would need to make sure he's the right guy, and negotiate a significant fee to get him.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I absolutely hate Chelsea but at club level that hate is not extended like it is Arsenal, no way near. And whats the bloke to do, we don't want him, sit out a job?

I mean he is damned if he is and damned if he don't "no big club wants him" ohh "Chelsea want him but if he goes there he is a cnut" I mean our fans are confused as fcuk about what they want and think at times I swear
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I have no issue if he goes

If I was giving advice, I'd avoid it, Chelsea right now feels like the manager after job is the one you want. The next one, until they clean up that squad, until the owners learn to stay to fudge out of the buying and dressing room, until they get a striker, until they get rid of Kepa & Lukaku, is one way train to failure.
 
Raziel said:
I'm not sure it's head scratching, Poch is very hard to have a legitimate conversation about

Facts re Poch
- Best manager of our modern era (easy give)
- United the fans/club in a way very few have
- Has a very good relationship still with club & Levy

Seems such an easy fit, so what's the argument against Poch?
- The end of his era was bad (this is often seen in a much better light due to revisionist history) but alongside that CL run was 1 away win in 11 months, 25 points from 24 games, 18 losses in a calendar year
- He was poor with subs
- He didn't want to work with a DoF (his famous, I'm just a coach rant), and seeming not a good judge of players to buy
- He fudged up on youth players (something he's normally given credit for), his refusal to let young players out on loan was a poor strategy
- In the end, the senior players wanted out, Eriksen & Toby examples
- He was poor with managing players with injuries, players that needed cotton wool (Dembele & Lamela)
- Almost man, his teams didn't take the last step
- Given better players in PSG neither the results or the football was elite

Lots of caveats
- Wembley move at hight of our rise
- Lack of money to refresh at the point most needed
- Bad recruitment (partly on him, see above re DoF)


I can see why the club is thinking about it
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Haha. As usual your lists of againsts is longer than your list for inc the nonsense around the football at PSG not being "elite," he won everything domestically, won Ligue 1 by a 15 point margin and went further than other managers in the Champions League. I will say it again, there no good footballing reason not to appoint. The reason we may be thinking about it is non footballing imho. But tbh what we are serving up at the moment is totally unacceptable and bad for the brand too.
 
Raziel said:
Simplistic, he's not quite "available". Bayern has put him on gardening leave because they owe him a brickload of money, so by not outright firing him, they are hoping to negotiate some of that from his next club.

So we would need to make sure he's the right guy, and negotiate a significant fee to get him.
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Can you loan a manager?
 
Glenda's Legs said:
He specifically said Barca and Woolwich. As much as I absolutely hate the thought of him ending up at Stamford Bridge, I don’t think we can expect him to turn it down if it’s a job he wants. He doesn’t owe us anything.
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Absolutely.

Like England, we have a load of rivals. Can't expect him to damage his potential earnings / Opportunities like Chelsea (that could actually go well for him if the stars align) because he was with us for a while.

Having said that, a couple more performances like today I'll start to shift in to the "bring back Poch at all costs" camp, as we need a shift in another direction even if it's where we've been before as it was less embarrassing / shameful.
 
Gazza said:
If he ends up at Chelsea he won't be coming back to spurs ever
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If he ends up at Chelsea now (not saying later), it will hurt his career (not that from a money perspective he cares)

I think the next manager into Chelsea is screwed, 35 first team players plus loan army, Kepa & Lukaku to dispose of, an owner that is in the dressing room, and unknown money pipeline (may well stay the same, may not)

You probably want some guy to go in, fail while sorting the squad/balance and then the following manager will probably do well.
 
Raziel said:
If he ends up at Chelsea now (not saying later), it will hurt his career (not that from a money perspective he cares)

I think the next manager into Chelsea is screwed, 35 first team players plus loan army, Kepa & Lukaku to dispose of, an owner that is in the dressing room, and unknown money pipeline (may well stay the same, may not)

You probably want some guy to go in, fail while sorting the squad/balance and then the following manager will probably do well.
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No offence that is bollox, he turned our tin pot outfit with a squad with complete mercenaries into a well oiled machine
 
Gazza said:
No offence that is bollox, he turned our tin pot outfit with a squad with complete mercenaries into a well oiled machine
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We were the absolute opposite of they are

You would think after Conte & Jose it would be obvious there is no "elite" manager, there are managers that are good fits for certain models.

I don't think Poch is a guy for overpriced divas and finished product, and I don't think he will enjoy it there. But that's my opinion
 
markysimmo said:
Twitter Journo's reckon it's almost done
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He’s 1/12 with the bookies which shows heavy money has been placed on him to go there. Feels inevitable now. I wish he could put out a statement that destroys Chelsea and say he would never go to that brick club. How much of a hero would he be then?! Unfortunately that’s not going to happen.
 
Ok, so we're not getting Poch, and he's going to Chelsea. Not what I wished for! But so what? It doesn't mean we have to go bury ourselves in the backyard and Tottenham won't ever be good again. Calm down. Who knows what we'll do next? Maybe we get lucky this time and actually hire someone who'd be a good fit for us! Chances are we'll do! :)
 
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