Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[StephenH]

We haven't anywhere near played to our known potential yet and we are sitting 3 points off top, haven't lost a league game, have only conceded 4 league goals and are awaiting the return to fitness of our star striker. Not much to worry about there for me at the moment.

You mention we are way off winning the league. That's my point. Winning the league should not be our expectation.

In Europe we've been poor. But we have a young squad most of whom haven't played in it and a manager who's never managed in it. Our expectation shouldn't be very high to begin with.

I agree but last night was such a seismic shocker performance wise, it was not about too higher expectations it was more about basic football standards for a premier clubs not even being close to being attained, it was abject!

 

[glasgowspur]

I agree but last night was such a systemic shock performance wise, it was not about too higher expectations it was more about basic football standards for a premier clubs not even being close to being attained, it was abject!

We were poor but I think there's some snobbery here. This a tough group with three CL regular clubs, in fact are these three clubs not in it almost every year?
Experience is a big part IMV on a stage like this.

 

[glasgowspur]

You or I won't see or have a problems with him.
We are not talking about young men in a very close knit unit.
It might or might not be the case, but I could explain a big drop off in form.

I haven't phrased that right, I think the issue is deeper than wanyama and nor connected to him.
I agree that the body language, GHod help me, of the team is iffy but I think it's more to do with the reasons I stated. Would also explain why wanyama form and the experienced back line which hasn't been asked to change hasn't suffered.

 

[StephenH]

We were poor but I think there's some snobbery here. This a tough group with three CL regular clubs, in fact are these three clubs not in it almost every year?
Experience is a big part IMV on a stage like this.

This about the overall decline in form not particularly about any one game.

 

[90291Spur]

This about the overall decline in form not particularly about any one game.

And perhaps fr the first time since he took over Poch has some serious repair work to be done to our 'mentality'. He has two days to sort out a solution to our scoring challenges and beat the Scum in the North/South London derby.

 

[StephenH]

I haven't phrased that right, I think the issue is deeper than wanyama and nor connected to him.
I agree that the body language, GHod help me, of the team is iffy but I think it's more to do with the reasons I stated. Would also explain why wanyama form and the experienced back line which hasn't been asked to change hasn't suffered.

Exactly-older more mature player would be much less likely to suffer, but in saying that look at Chelsea last season and Man U this.

 

[glasgowspur]

[QUOTE="StephenH, post: 862617, member: 10135"]I agree but last night was such a systemic shock performance wise, it was not about too higher expectations it was more about basic football standards for a premier clubs not even being close to being attained, it was abject![/QUOTE]

Your words

 

[glorygloryeze]

Your missing the point here, it's not about football per say.
It's more to do with mood and attitudes amongst the younger more fragile members of the collective.
It can all be comes as a distraction and leads to unrest and bad feeling.
It might explain this decline in form in some small way.

These are not a football matter of why a certain player was purchased.

Well it would show poorly regardless; and when you think of the timing it doesn't make sense. We haven't won since City when we were the talk of the town. Sulking at or after that point would seem ridiculous....which is why i think it's not true on reflection...

 

[StephenH]

[QUOTE="StephenH, post: 862617, member: 10135"]I agree but last night was such a systemic shock performance wise, it was not about too higher expectations it was more about basic football standards for a premier clubs not even being close to being attained, it was abject!

Your words[/QUOTE]

Lost me - but that's not hard!
I'm on my iPad so please allow for many more spelling and typo mistakes

 

[StephenH]

Well it would show poorly regardless; and when you think of the timing it doesn't make sense. We haven't won since City when we were the talk of the town. Sulking at or after that point would seem ridiculous....which is why i think it's not true on reflection...

Could be. But I doubt these things are even event driven, I will be a mood or atmosphere with a group.
There should have been a high fiving after city, as you say, so doubt it will be as logical as that.

 

[glasgowspur]

Could be. But I doubt these things are even event driven, I will be a mood or atmosphere with a group.
There should have been a high fiving after city, as you say, so doubt it will be as logical as that.

No biggie, but we were talking about last night then you said it's not about last night.
It's easy to get lost in here at times when you're active in more than one thread.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Not enough movement in midfield and a striker who as clear as day is not what we need.

PACE PACE PACE

Then we will be fine, all teams have indifferent periods and in this one we still have not lost in the league which is pretty good.

 

[StephenH]

No biggie, but we were talking about last night then you said it's not about last night.
It's easy to get lost in here at times when you're active in more than one thread.

You can say that again

 

[JerusalemMan]

It looks like Pochettino is facing his first real test as the Spurs manager. We are winless in 6 matches, doesn't look like scoring or winning a match and we are facing Arsenal away next. This can get really ugly. He will need all his managerial knowledge and luck to get us out of this mess. I think Pochettino has to take the blame for our current problems. He relied too much on our inexperienced youngsters and failed to buy enough quality players.

Sorry?
His first real test?
Are you for real?

Are you seriously positing that his time up to this point has been full of ease with mere minor difficulties to overcome?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Sorry?
His first real test?
Are you for real?

Are you seriously positing that his time up to this point has been full of ease with mere minor difficulties to overcome?

There are people saying he can't manage in Europe so will be sacked for that

As I said earlier he has less experience as a manager than Kyle walker has as a Tottenham player ... That's not a lot in real terms

He is the least experienced man at the helm of one of the most demanding clubs

 

[StephenH]

There are people saying he can't manage in Europe so will be sacked for that

As I said earlier he has less experience as a manager than Kyle walker has as a Tottenham player ... That's not a lot in real terms

He is the least experienced man at the helm of one of the most demanding clubs

When you put it like that, he doesn't sound great!

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I agree but last night was such a systemic shock performance wise, it was not about too higher expectations it was more about basic football standards for a premier clubs not even being close to being attained, it was abject!

I do agree about last night. Right from the opening kick we set a terrible standard. We did have moments where we tried to force some pressure but generally it was a hard watch, devoid of virtually all the good things we admired last season.

The main worrying take-away was the poor play had infiltrated into all areas of the pitch. The 3 behind have been a problem BUT our rock solid backline was all at sea and looking to gift goals. That is so far from what they have been.

It was 90 mins though.......so i'll stroke the chin, hold back on Armageddon and look for the vital signs on Sunday.

 

[ledley's knee injections]

Sorry?
His first real test?
Are you for real?

Are you seriously positing that his time up to this point has been full of ease with mere minor difficulties to overcome?

I'm pretty sure Spurs 7891 is an automated bot mate... he simply posts the same thing every time, and never responds to anyone presenting valid counter-arguments!

Spurs 7891, waiting for you to prove me wrong...

 

[Spurs7891]

Sorry?
His first real test?
Are you for real?

Are you seriously positing that his time up to this point has been full of ease with mere minor difficulties to overcome?

Don't think Pochettino has faced problems like now which is struggling to score goals and winning matches.

 

[DubaiSpur]

We were poor but I think there's some snobbery here. This a tough group with three CL regular clubs, in fact are these three clubs not in it almost every year?
Experience is a big part IMV on a stage like this.

The first time we got into the CL, we were arguably even more inexperienced, and we were up against the reigning champions of Europe, among other teams. Didn't stop us playing without fear, in an attacking manner filled with vim and verve that puts our current limpness and turgidity to shame.

Of course, systems and times differ, so inferring too much from that isn't particularly useful. But 'inexeperience' didn't stop us shocking Europe last time, and it shouldn't be an excuse for looking like eleven terrified, uncoordinated amateurs when playing at Wembley.