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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

So back to Poch ...

A few games recently (yesterday's as well), show a growing ability to manage a full game.

Get out ahead, get a second, slow it down, manage the game out and kill them on the counter as they press. Professional display.

Thanks, i asked this question in the Norwich OMT thread; the downturn of the 'Bielsa-style' in the latter part of the season has been my main worry about Poch and his methods. However, from what you're saying he has really created a method that goes beyond the 'constant press' that Bielsa is known for.

I like it!

Btw, looking back at our other recent away games, do you think this was the case at Southampton before xmas as well?
 
Thanks, i asked this question in the Norwich OMT thread; the downturn of the 'Bielsa-style' in the latter part of the season has been my main worry about Poch and his methods. However, from what you're saying he has really created a method that goes beyond the 'constant press' that Bielsa is known for.

I like it!

Btw, looking back at our other recent away games, do you think this was the case at Southampton before xmas as well?

I was just thinking that myself. I was at St Mary's and the difference was that Southampton really put us under the kosh for the first 30 minutes, then we stopped them in their tracks by scoring twice before half-time and then the second-half was much like last night....controlled and seeing the game out.
 
I was just thinking that myself. I was at St Mary's and the difference was that Southampton really put us under the kosh for the first 30 minutes, then we stopped them in their tracks by scoring twice before half-time and then the second-half was much like last night....controlled and seeing the game out.

Thanks. It certainly gives me even more encouragement than i already have for the run-in. Great Stuff:)

In fact, it's like an AVB/Mourinho team, but with more hunger for goals and a greater freedom to show flair!
 
To be fair in the past there has been a lot of grief given to teams including ours under AVB for constantly passing sideways not going anywhere etc. but we do it so well keeping the ball from the opposition, patience in terms of looking for the opening etc.

And of course if the opposition havent got the ball they cant score.
 
To be fair in the past there has been a lot of grief given to teams including ours under AVB for constantly passing sideways not going anywhere etc. but we do it so well keeping the ball from the opposition, patience in terms of looking for the opening etc.

And of course if the opposition havent got the ball they cant score.

I agree on the whole, but tbf to those who didn't like AVB's style we are more hungry to take risks to try and score more goals. This season we are even better in terms of holding onto leads; goals/attack at key times can be the ultimate form of defence.

COYS
 
Couldn't agree more with you. It is this sort of professional display that we have been lacking in the past 20 years. That ability to just put a game to bed without being one of those fight every second type performances that you sometimes need to win games. This, more than rotation of players, for me will ensure that our squad stay fresh.

I was lucky enough to be at the game last night, and I loved every second of it. My first away game in ages and a lot of Norwich fans said that we were the best organised team to go up there. I think we're only one of two teams to keep a clean sheet there this season.

I have to say I've really enjoyed the discussion on this thread over the past two days. My personal view is that Poch is replaceable like any manager. However, it will be a massive wrench to lose him now as I believe that we finally have a manager that will bring back the good times. If that is jumping the gun, then fine. I've dared to dream about Spurs being a successful force in football for 30 plus years, and this is only the third time that I have properly thought that we were on to something. That to me says keep him, love him, respect him and have faith in him.

One thing that I will ask though is where this supposition that Barcelona is the job that he really covets comes from? Is this just an assumption or is there some truth that I have not read somewhere that points to this.

It is early days BUT if Poch continues the way he is then it will be hard to replace him. Look at Man U, and Arsenal have it to come. Some are irreplaceable.

There is little fanfare with Poch.

He keeps up the charade of speaking basic english, so basic (stock answers) that the presss have nothing to pick at. Helps to keep us under the radar.

His man managment is superb and is the only manager who has the balls to give new players and out of form players time, heck he even gave the bad apples a fair shot at the start (all part of getting the good ones to fall in love with you;))

He doesn't need money or superstars, he just needs time to make the collective believe, the collective greater than the individuals and all 25 believing they are playing a part. The 25 know the system, the plan, so when called upon the drop off is negligible.

At this moment in time he is exactly the man Levy dreamt about to take us through the stadium build. (just like Arsenal had Wenger). Profits on transfers but still climbing the league. Levy nirvana.

So when you replace this leader, the new man has gonna have to have a stella skillset. The main one being brave enough not to change anything :)

As to the Barca thing.......i get the impression that it is engrained in a lot of S.Americans that to make it to Barca/Real really is the stuff of dreams. At least Poch doesn't have an agent, so one less mouthpiece to spout sh*t/rock the boat.
 
I'm not saying we shouldn't be frustrated or disappointed. I am, too, that we didn't get an extra striker. I, too, would like to see a shiny new player come in and make us even better. What I'm calling out are the proclamations of doom and over-the-top statements, as if we'd be going from being third with the best defense and GD to relegation fodder, just because we didn't sign a bench player. I'm calling out people blaming Poch and Levy without knowing the full story behind why certain transfers didn't happen, but who are just speculating on the why. I'm calling out those who make stuff up or selectively choose the things that suit their narrative and can't provide a balanced view. And finally I'm calling out people who are whining all the time and can't see all the progress we have made and how well positioned we are to continue this progress.

I think those are fair things to call out, wouldn't you say?

I think it would be fair things to call out, and I think your reply is very very good. The fact we share the same frustration/disappointment means I can very much relate to your post, I can see the passion for the club that burns within and I can assure you I feel the same, of course people react to frustration in different ways which brings me to....

I see a real lack of empathy on this board sometimes, and it frustrates the hell out of me it really does, just to be clear I am not singling you out on this, its across the spectrum and you are the unfortunate recipient of built up annoyance within me that has obviously bubbled over, so sorry about that.

Those are fair things to call out and I would like to think I am not guilty of any of them, but if we all said nothing because we do not know the goings on between Levy and Poch then this forum would be very dull indeed.

Half the time all we can do is speculate, is that not what this place is for?

It would please me greatly if sometimes we could all entertain the notion that as posters sometimes our view could quite possibly be wrong, or that a different opinion might be worth politely debating, rather than such and such is moaning again, because things then get posted that puts other peoples backs up. I think some people get to precious and see disagreement on their views like a personal attack.

I do think Poch is the bees knees, I think he is also bringing out the best in Levy, but I do not think either of them should be held on such a pedal stool where someone cannot come on here and question things if it does not sit right with them, I do not think it makes them any less of a devoted Spurs fan to question either of our hierarchy.

Please forgive my rambling, I am recovering from my frustration at our lack of transfer dealings, I did not intend to transform into a poopy head overnight...I am getting over this and last night certainly helped.....I threw a wobbler I hope you can understand this!

With regards to Poch and Levy I will choose to do exactly what I did after the disappointment of not signing a striker in the summer...

I will choose to trust.
 
With regards to the bold-faced bit above, I whole-heartedly disagree. More has been achieved in 18 months than was achieved the previous 23 years if we're looking at health and long-term structure.

Erm yes...from everything I research and read from others I respect on here including your good self the last 18 months have been incredible....across the board, mentality, training facilities, Acadamy, stadium plans...everything looks rosy and forgive me if I seem to be overlooking the bigger picture.

however I would say that we are in the 'Potential' stage still...we have been here before....had many false dawns before.

Potential is nothing if never realised...as a spurs worrier I fear things going wrong even though things at the moment seem like a dream, I can see our progress staring me in the face like a gigantium pair of hooters with flashing police lights but I still dare not believe it.

My message was lets all calm down a little, though its a contradiction as I find it hard to do that myself.

Poch has done so much good work but ultimately he will be judged by the honours he can win. As I said our players/Poch still have far to go...
 
I agree with a lot of what you are saying Nigey ( and I do not consider you a moaner) especially the bolded bits. However there are a couple of fans on here ( will not mentioned the names but its pretty clear who they are) that are serial moaners and it seems they can not wait to bitch about Levy and I think they are the ones Alekaras is going on about.

Any chance they have to bash Levy is jumped on and you could see then sharpening the knives even before the window shut.

Fair enough, the fact you do not consider me a serial moaner is probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on this forum.
 
Those are fair things to call out and I would like to think I am not guilty of any of them, but if we all said nothing because we do not know the goings on between Levy and Poch then this forum would be very dull indeed.

I cannot answer for anyone else but what I find difficult about the way that concerns are raised is the certainty of people's posts. Maybe it is just the way that people express themselves and online communication can mean that people exaggerate their feelings/views. I have no problem with people airing their views and sharing their concerns, it is what a message board is all about. I would just prefer it if they admitted that they do not have full access to the facts, there could be very good reasons that they are not aware of that lead to a decision being made, that finalising multi-million pound, multi-party, international deals can be complicated and that our manager might just have more of an idea than them.

I am not singling you out here and I do not think that you do this but I just wanted to explain what some of the frustrations can be when people are complaining about our transfer activity (the relentlessness of it can become a little tiring too!).
 
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I do think Poch is the bees knees, I think he is also bringing out the best in Levy, but I do not think either of them should be held on such a pedal stool where someone cannot come on here and question things if it does not sit right with them, I do not think it makes them any less of a devoted Spurs fan to question either of our hierarchy.

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As long as the season doesn't turn into a damp squid ;)
 
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