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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Denmark Spur said:
Independent also running the story

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...manager-added-to-blues-hit-list-a6835536.html
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http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...enham-boss-mauricio-pochettino-a3165891.html?

Daniel Levy should make it clear to Chelsea they can forget about Tottenham boss Mauricio Pochettino
So Mauricio Pochettino is on Roman Abramovich’s wish-list? So what? So is a reconstructed Stamford Bridge, with happy residents emerging from their Lion houses off the King’s Road and crossing Eel Brook Common with flasks of tea for the diligent builders. An alleviation of concern about the Russian economy would be nice, too; it’s probably quite a long list theChelsea owner has.

He’ll certainly not be the only one coveting Pochettino if Tottenham continue to progress. They ended the weekend with enhanced hope of the Premier League title — don’t rule them out while Arsenal and Emirates Marketing Project keep dropping points — and even a Champions League spot would put the Argentine more firmly in the thoughts of the world’s biggest clubs, including Manchester United.

Chelsea are big. But so will Spurs be when their own new stadium, a more advanced project than Chelsea’s, is ready. Sooner or later we are going to have to stop thinking of Spurs as a feeder club for the likes of Real Madrid — and, yes, Chelsea — and chairman Daniel Levy can help by making it clear that Abramovich is only one fellow mogul who can forget all about Pochettino because he is staying at White Hart Lane to finish the job he was unable to complete at Southampton.

The south coast club always knew they would have to sell and regenerate. It is different in north London.

At Spurs the task of improving young players who have come through the system — or someone else’s, to be fair to the developers of Dele Alli and Eric Dier — can be even more rewarding, for there’s a possibility of Harry Kane, Nabil Bentaleb, Danny Rose and Ryan Mason being persuaded to stay and, with Alli and Dier, make history.

So let Abramovich find a youth-friendly manager of his own. With his money Chelsea have built the most admirable of academy systems — one that should not be too seriously tainted by an alleged breach of regulations over Bertrand Traore four years ago — and the discovery of someone who can guide these youngsters to true professionalism should not be impossible.

After all, Spurs did it.
 
Think there was always going to be a chance of this sort of speculation with him doing so well, especially with at least three of the biggest clubs in the country likely to be changing manager this summer. Getting Champions League football will work wonders for calming things down, especially if Man Utd and Chelsea miss out, although as we've seen with Klopp and Van Gaal accepting positions at their respective clubs, it's not the be all and end all if the club and financial package are attractive enough.

In my lifetime, I think Santini's resignation is the only time I've ever seen a Spurs manager leave for any reason other than being fired, so in a way it's nice that the exit rumours are about him being poached for good performance rather than sacked for a poor one. Come to think of it, I can hardly think of our managers being linked with moves away apart from Redknapp and the England job...

Personally I think we'll get at least another season from Poch. Who knows though, if we finish 3rd this year then come 6th next year maybe our fans and media will be crying for his blood and complaining that he wasn't able to build on the success and want him fired.
 
SUIYHA said:
Personally I think we'll get at least another season from Poch. Who knows though, if we finish 3rd this year then come 6th next year maybe our fans and media will be crying for his blood and complaining that he wasn't able to build on the success and want him fired.
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Another year?? The way i feel about him at the moment i wont another 10!!
 
Calm down, calm down!
Take it as a good sign that first the Red Mancs and now Dynamo West London have used their mates in the press to try and unsettle us by making up rumours about an approach to MoPo.

One extra year?? Lol! He'll be with us to see the new stadium at the very least.

Relax and enjoy people!:cool:
 
SUIYHA said:
Think there was always going to be a chance of this sort of speculation with him doing so well, especially with at least three of the biggest clubs in the country likely to be changing manager this summer. Getting Champions League football will work wonders for calming things down, especially if Man Utd and Chelsea miss out, although as we've seen with Klopp and Van Gaal accepting positions at their respective clubs, it's not the be all and end all if the club and financial package are attractive enough.

In my lifetime, I think Santini's resignation is the only time I've ever seen a Spurs manager leave for any reason other than being fired, so in a way it's nice that the exit rumours are about him being poached for good performance rather than sacked for a poor one. Come to think of it, I can hardly think of our managers being linked with moves away apart from Redknapp and the England job...

Personally I think we'll get at least another season from Poch. Who knows though, if we finish 3rd this year then come 6th next year maybe our fans and media will be crying for his blood and complaining that he wasn't able to build on the success and want him fired.
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I think we'll get more than another year from Poch. Quite honestly the only club I'm really worried about losing him to would be Barcelona, and they don't need him right now.

For the style of manager that he is, he shouldn't join a club for money or transfer budget and I don't think he will because he knows exactly what makes him successful. Money will be a detriment to team spirit, to young players who are genuinely humble and modest and willing to give their careers to the system he is preaching. We've got a great group of lads in our squad and as has been shown, Poch would rather maintain that balance and that chemistry rather than get another striker.

It simply isn't worth going to another English club when we've proven we can compete with our model. Real Madrid is completely the wrong job for him. No reason why he'd go to Italy. If Man United or Chelsea went for him they'd be doing it for the wrong reasons, and demonstrating exactly why their strategy has failed this season. Man United are obsessed with Galactico signings that they can never actually get, have let their youth programme suffer and thought all that needed to be done was chuck 250M at the problem rather than look at the wider reasons for their malaise. Chelsea is just a joke. They don't care one jot about bringing through youth and they don't care about giving managers time. AVB was villified and then Jose managed to do even worse. It would be an utterly terrible move for him. Even if they try and pitch him that they've changed, that they want to bring through youth, there's no reason for him to go. They played the same tune with AVB and Poch has proven his methods can compete with bottomless pits of cash.

Clubs are terrible and making the right strategic decisions. Van Gaal was hired at United for what reason? He was a big name? Because we looked like we wanted him? I dare say if he joined us he probably would have had a better time of it because he would have had more willing youth. I think happily Levy has learned from every mistake that's been made over the last 15 years to finally get the man he always wanted and needed in Poch. We proved with the Bale money that a big splurge doesn't guarantee success. We proved with AVB that having a forward thinking tactician doesn't allow us any leg up unless the whole club is aligned on strategy. Poch is absolutely the right man for us and we are the right club for him.

Really the only place that would suit him, in terms of serious trust in youth and humble, hard running would be Barca (or Arsenal!). And if he sees through his 5 year contract with us, takes us into the new stadium with a couple of CL runs and GHod forbid a title, he should be able to go there with our blessing. But he might end up being our Wenger.
 
Completely agree with the above, Barca the only logical progression for him. We're making strides with our current squad and if all is to be believed then, the future squad too. When he joined he spoken about our youth set up being one of the best in Europe, I think its clearly a fundamental part of his successes at Soton and us so far, so if he does go anywhere i'm sure he'll look at a well managed youth setup... to my mind, I dont see any that standout in the Premier League or in Europe enough to warrant that.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I think we'll get more than another year from Poch. Quite honestly the only club I'm really worried about losing him to would be Barcelona, and they don't need him right now.

For the style of manager that he is, he shouldn't join a club for money or transfer budget and I don't think he will because he knows exactly what makes him successful. Money will be a detriment to team spirit, to young players who are genuinely humble and modest and willing to give their careers to the system he is preaching. We've got a great group of lads in our squad and as has been shown, Poch would rather maintain that balance and that chemistry rather than get another striker.

It simply isn't worth going to another English club when we've proven we can compete with our model. Real Madrid is completely the wrong job for him. No reason why he'd go to Italy. If Man United or Chelsea went for him they'd be doing it for the wrong reasons, and demonstrating exactly why their strategy has failed this season. Man United are obsessed with Galactico signings that they can never actually get, have let their youth programme suffer and thought all that needed to be done was chuck 250M at the problem rather than look at the wider reasons for their malaise. Chelsea is just a joke. They don't care one jot about bringing through youth and they don't care about giving managers time. AVB was villified and then Jose managed to do even worse. It would be an utterly terrible move for him. Even if they try and pitch him that they've changed, that they want to bring through youth, there's no reason for him to go. They played the same tune with AVB and Poch has proven his methods can compete with bottomless pits of cash.

Clubs are terrible and making the right strategic decisions. Van Gaal was hired at United for what reason? He was a big name? Because we looked like we wanted him? I dare say if he joined us he probably would have had a better time of it because he would have had more willing youth. I think happily Levy has learned from every mistake that's been made over the last 15 years to finally get the man he always wanted and needed in Poch. We proved with the Bale money that a big splurge doesn't guarantee success. We proved with AVB that having a forward thinking tactician doesn't allow us any leg up unless the whole club is aligned on strategy. Poch is absolutely the right man for us and we are the right club for him.

Really the only place that would suit him, in terms of serious trust in youth and humble, hard running would be Barca (or Arsenal!). And if he sees through his 5 year contract with us, takes us into the new stadium with a couple of CL runs and GHod forbid a title, he should be able to go there with our blessing. But he might end up being our Wenger.
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To suggest that Man Utd have ignored their young players is utter nonsense.

Jones - 23
Depay - 21
Martial - 20
Januzaj - 20
Wilson - 20
Powell - 21
Shaw - 20
Varela - 23
McNair - 20
Lindgard - 23
Borthwick-Jackson - 18
Pereira - 20

Have all got to play first team football this season. Even Herrera, Smalling, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Blind, De Gea and Rojo are all around 25/26. They are trying to do exactly the same thing that we are, in building a hungry young squad with a few more experienced players to lead the way, and they have a lot more money than us to do it. The problem has been in a failure to get in the right players and a failure at management level to coach and organise them effectively. Which is exactly why they are sniffing around Poch and McDermott. Look at how poor the likes of Kane, Lamela and Rose were before Poch coached them and then think about what Depay, Martial and Januzaj could potentially become.

Chelsea also have a very good youth setup. Their academy teams have been very successful recently. The problem is they are not given the chance in the first team. Had Poch been in charge over the past few seasons it's very likely that Sturridge and De Bruyne would have become first team regulars and they would have kept Matic instead of getting rid of him and buying him back when he's more established for stupid money a few years later. Yes AVB was tasked to bring more youth into the side but he went about it in completely the wrong way and was also a tactical buffoon. I don't doubt that Abramovic will have an interest in Poch, but I imagine he'd prioritise a bigger name with trophies on his CV like Simeone, personally. Then again, it would be just like him to do something like this just to fudge with us, as he did with Arnesen, Modric, and all the promising young players they've signed and not played for the sole reason of not letting other teams get them...
 
I love the guy, he's doing a great job, and says the right things, but I don't think for one second he (or anyone) would turn down the money that he could get at a club like United should the opportunity arise.
 
I think that we need to remember that it is exceptionally rare for managers to stay at a club as long as some people are expecting Poch to stay with us.
 
milo said:
I think that we need to remember that it is exceptionally rare for managers to stay at a club as long as some people are expecting Poch to stay with us.
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Poch is currently the 6th longest serving manager in the Premier League.

Wenger: 19 years, 117 days
Howe : 3 years, 107 days
Hughes: 2 years, 242 days
Pellegrini: 2 years, 217 days
Martinez: 2 years, 210 days
Pochettino: 1 year, 245 days

I expect at least one of those above him to be sacked before next season, but quite a few of the top teams in the Championship have had the same manager for 3 or 4 years now.
 
milo said:
I think that we need to remember that it is exceptionally rare for managers to stay at a club as long as some people are expecting Poch to stay with us.
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Exactly. Our longest serving manager of the past 32 years is Redknapp, and even he was less than four years.

One only needs to look at how untouchable Mourinho was when he was signing a new Chelsea contract in August before getting sacked a couple of months later. I know that was Abramovic but Levy has proven to be just as ruthless when things are going as badly as they were for him. Brendan Rodgers and Gary Monk were both also sacked earlier this season after leading their teams to their best seasons in ages. I guarantee that if Poch hasn't won the league by the end of next season there will be sections of our fan base that will claim he's taken us as far as he can and want a change.
 
SUIYHA said:
Exactly. Our longest serving manager of the past 32 years is Redknapp, and even he was less than four years.

One only needs to look at how untouchable Mourinho was when he was signing a new Chelsea contract in August before getting sacked a couple of months later. I know that was Abramovic but Levy has proven to be just as ruthless when things are going as badly as they were for him. Brendan Rodgers and Gary Monk were both also sacked earlier this season after leading their teams to their best seasons in ages. I guarantee that if Poch hasn't won the league by the end of next season there will be sections of our fan base that will claim he's taken us as far as he can and want a change.
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Fans! hold them up to the light not a brain in sight!
 
SUIYHA said:
Exactly. Our longest serving manager of the past 32 years is Redknapp, and even he was less than four years.

One only needs to look at how untouchable Mourinho was when he was signing a new Chelsea contract in August before getting sacked a couple of months later. I know that was Abramovic but Levy has proven to be just as ruthless when things are going as badly as they were for him. Brendan Rodgers and Gary Monk were both also sacked earlier this season after leading their teams to their best seasons in ages. I guarantee that if Poch hasn't won the league by the end of next season there will be sections of our fan base that will claim he's taken us as far as he can and want a change.
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Overall you had a good point about the changeable nature of attitudes in football, but you spoilt it at the end by using the most extreme macaronic section of our fanbase to illustrate your point..
 
SUIYHA said:
To suggest that Man Utd have ignored their young players is utter nonsense.

Jones - 23
Depay - 21
Martial - 20
Januzaj - 20
Wilson - 20
Powell - 21
Shaw - 20
Varela - 23
McNair - 20
Lindgard - 23
Borthwick-Jackson - 18
Pereira - 20

Have all got to play first team football this season. Even Herrera, Smalling, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Blind, De Gea and Rojo are all around 25/26. They are trying to do exactly the same thing that we are, in building a hungry young squad with a few more experienced players to lead the way, and they have a lot more money than us to do it. The problem has been in a failure to get in the right players and a failure at management level to coach and organise them effectively. Which is exactly why they are sniffing around Poch and McDermott. Look at how poor the likes of Kane, Lamela and Rose were before Poch coached them and then think about what Depay, Martial and Januzaj could potentially become.

Chelsea also have a very good youth setup. Their academy teams have been very successful recently. The problem is they are not given the chance in the first team. Had Poch been in charge over the past few seasons it's very likely that Sturridge and De Bruyne would have become first team regulars and they would have kept Matic instead of getting rid of him and buying him back when he's more established for stupid money a few years later. Yes AVB was tasked to bring more youth into the side but he went about it in completely the wrong way and was also a tactical buffoon. I don't doubt that Abramovic will have an interest in Poch, but I imagine he'd prioritise a bigger name with trophies on his CV like Simeone, personally. Then again, it would be just like him to do something like this just to fudge with us, as he did with Arnesen, Modric, and all the promising young players they've signed and not played for the sole reason of not letting other teams get them...
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I'm really not worried about United. Poch would be good fo
SUIYHA said:
To suggest that Man Utd have ignored their young players is utter nonsense.

Jones - 23
Depay - 21
Martial - 20
Januzaj - 20
Wilson - 20
Powell - 21
Shaw - 20
Varela - 23
McNair - 20
Lindgard - 23
Borthwick-Jackson - 18
Pereira - 20

Have all got to play first team football this season. Even Herrera, Smalling, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Blind, De Gea and Rojo are all around 25/26. They are trying to do exactly the same thing that we are, in building a hungry young squad with a few more experienced players to lead the way, and they have a lot more money than us to do it. The problem has been in a failure to get in the right players and a failure at management level to coach and organise them effectively. Which is exactly why they are sniffing around Poch and McDermott. Look at how poor the likes of Kane, Lamela and Rose were before Poch coached them and then think about what Depay, Martial and Januzaj could potentially become.

Chelsea also have a very good youth setup. Their academy teams have been very successful recently. The problem is they are not given the chance in the first team. Had Poch been in charge over the past few seasons it's very likely that Sturridge and De Bruyne would have become first team regulars and they would have kept Matic instead of getting rid of him and buying him back when he's more established for stupid money a few years later. Yes AVB was tasked to bring more youth into the side but he went about it in completely the wrong way and was also a tactical buffoon. I don't doubt that Abramovic will have an interest in Poch, but I imagine he'd prioritise a bigger name with trophies on his CV like Simeone, personally. Then again, it would be just like him to do something like this just to fudge with us, as he did with Arnesen, Modric, and all the promising young players they've signed and not played for the sole reason of not letting other teams get them...
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What are you trying to get at here? Wilson, Depay, Powell and Januzaj have been nowhere near as trusted as our guys have been with Poch.

Of course they have some youth. But I don't think they represent enough of a step up to tempt him away. He'd be great for them but I don't think they'd be great for him.

He has great youth coming through here. He can lead us into a new stadium. We are 5 points clear of them right now and they look terrible. We have money to spend but he doesn't want to spend it unless he can know that the balance of the squad and mentality won't be changed. He has a squad completely bought into his methods, and took the first year to give the players that wouldn't buy in enough rope to hang themselves before moving them on. He goes to United he has to start that process all over again. It won't be instant success and I just can't see why he leave a job half finished. Southampton could never compete at the top like we are showing we can with the right strategy in place. We're the perfect place for him.
 
If money is the issue, all Levy has to do is ensure he's one of the top 5-10 best compensated managers in Europe, which wouldn't be anywhere close to breaking the bank. But more importantly than that, I think he needs to give him free reign to do his thing. Put those two together, add the best training facilities in Europe, a new stadium, and the much higher financial clout Spurs will have, and I don't see any reason why a manager like Poch wouldn't want to stay at the club for a long time.
 
I can't see Pochettino wanting to leave right now. What's happening at our club - as I've said before - makes it one of the best places to be in football at this point in history.

That said, in theory, Chelsea could make Pochettino a financial offer he couldn't refuse... I love the guy and I don't think that he is a mercenary by nature, but Abramovich has very very deep pockets and there's surely a point at which a person says "If I take this job I'll be rich for the rest of my life and my great grandchildren will be able to say the same"... at which point anyone's head can get turned I suspect.
 
The difference in pochs situation and Joses was that if our players don't play for Poch they're not superstars costing £10s of millions each, so just as easy to dump them than a manager you trust.
DL won't be held to ransom by anyone, so if the players downed tools but the manager retained his trust DL will back the manager.
 
Take a look at the man and how he behaves.
Take a look at his suitors.
Do the human math.
It does not fit.
I think he will be with is another 3 seasons minimum, more like 5 or 6.

Abramovich is sad really, he always wants we have. I think we remain a small obsession of his due to early history. I cannot think of a set-up more fundamentally different to that Poch favors than either Chelski or Man Utd.
 
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