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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Wrong year. It's next year when you should expect that. And the fact that this year has been erratic is just a coincidence. If it hadn't been, you might have been OK with where we currently stand.
The team that played against Liverpool was injury hit so the team listed is hardly a fair reflection for comparison.
Poch has developed younger and far less known players and deserves the up most credit for this.
If Anyone thinks that AVB is even close to Poch in terms of football knowledge, style, player management and transfer dealings then I think they need their head examining. Poch has had to pick up a mess made by AVB and the board. The focus on stats based, physical players completely ripped the heart of Redknapps team and his tactics ruined the confidence of several players.
I have never been so low as a Spurs fan and ️AVB was right at the centre of that. Bale was an abolsute beast under Redknapp and I would argue his performances were in fact better than under AVB. Of course ️AVB made him super productive and his output was great through the middle, but for many games he was stifled and did very little for the vast majority of the game - him scoring a 25 yarder in the last min seemed more like a rich vein of form that we so badly needed with a rigid a negative team around him. Since he has gone to madrid he has hardly lit he place up (despite what the british media try and say) and bar some moments of magic he has been very disappointing for an 86m player.
One other point - didn't gareth bale win PFA Player of the year under redknapp as well? He hardly came from nowhere in the same way kane, Dier, rose, dembele (to an extent this year) have
️AVB brought new ideas to Spurs but the same faults that he showed at chelsea reared their head and he left us in a complete mess.
I criticised his emotional and viscous posts that seem to crop up all the bloody time when he suffer a bad result. It's really tiresome
One other point to mention - we have a better chance of top 4 this year but we lack the depth and experience to do it imo and thinking we can cope with just kane as an option is foolish. Several of our players are looking knackered already and that doesn't bode well - if kane and erisken aren't on form then we always seem to struggle to win games.
I also worry for Dier who I think will struggle as the season goes on with this being his first run as a midfielder and the extra running will hurt him. We have Nabil to step in but Dier has been instrumental to our form imo
I also worry for Dier who I think will struggle as the season goes on with this being his first run as a midfielder and the extra running will hurt him. We have Nabil to step in but Dier has been instrumental to our form imo
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
that was the team he put together with more than £100 million! So you have to assume that he put them together with his system in mind. We cannot have this revisionism to make AVB look like some unfortunate fall guy.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Can I also add with regard to that second season, 1 point is neither here nor there. In 2013 we had taken 3 absolute tonkings 2 at home and had negative goal difference. Whereas We have just lost narrowly to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and the team is generally looking good we have double digit goal difference too.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
You and I will have to agree to disagree I think. I would say that Redknapp played a huge part in Bale's rise to becoming a World class player, whether that was by accident or design is another debate altogether of course, but it was Redknapp who realised that the player needed to seriously toughen up, it was also under Redknapp that Bale developed his powerful physique, it was also Redknapp who started playing Bale in a free role (I can remember the ridiculous chants of "he plays on the left" several times towards the end of Redknapp's last season at Spurs.
Bale was voted into UEFAs 2011 team of the year in January 2012, amongst 5 players from Barcelona (Alves, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi) 3 players from Real Madrid (Casillas, Marcello and Ronaldo) and a player apiece from AC Milan (Thiago Silva) and Bayern Munich (Robben). Bale also won the PFA Player of the year in 2010/11. So clearly he was already well on his way to being World class... One could easily argue that fully realising that potential was just a natural progression from being a 22 year old to a 23 year old?
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Of course that completely ignores the fact that it was AVB who spent a fortune bringing in the duds of Soldado, Paulinho and Capoue (and how could I forget Chiriches). It was also AVB who encouraged VDV to leave the club.
Indeed.... I think he set our great club back about two years. Luckily it looks as though we now finally have a man in charge who manages with something other than his ego (and prior to Poch I think we had three managers in a row who the same could not be said of).
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Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
I think my initial point (although I can barely remember what it was myself) was around the fact that people look at the team Redknapp ended up with and say "Pah - he should've done better, a good manger would've been winning the league with that team!".... Completely ignoring the fact that when Redknapp took over we didn't have VDV, Walker or Sandro, Gomes looked like he was on the verge of a nervous breakdown, King could barely play a game, Ekotto looked like a poor excuse for a full back and neither Modric or Bale looked anything like World class players. Redknapp created a team by blending new signings young and old with existing players given a boost in confidence/effort/a way of playing, he also realised that having Ledley King on the pitch was a huge plus even if it meant him not training all week to be able to do that, there aren't many managers who would allow that to happen.'On his way' and becoming are two different things and Bale himself speaks more highly of AVB with regards to his step up in performances than anyone else so that's enough for me, I'm sure you know better than the man himself though
I have always said that a decent way to judge a manager is by the team that they leave behind compared to the one that they inherit. Redknapp left a team that was FAR better than the one he inherited, I don't think anyone can reasonably dispute that.
Looking at Modric THFC's post above however, I don't think you can say that AVB did anything of the sort.
I would say that so far Pochettino is on course to also leave behind a better team than he inherited, it is early days still and perhaps still a little too small to create a proper sample size, but the fact that we no longer see any of the likes of Chiriches, Kaboul, Capoue, Soldado or Paulinho in our team can only be a good thing.
Pochettino wasn't the manager that I wanted at the club (De Boer was my first choice) but with each passing month I admire the man more, I can see that he is trying to build something that is highly effective but is also extremely sustainable, but not only is he doing that, he is also building something that fits in with the traditions of our great club. As I said before he is the first manager we have had for a while who is driven by the success of the club and his players and not by his own ego. I think those types of managers are the true gems and finally we have unearthed a (rough) diamond. I hope all of Pochettino's diamond polishing is done at Tottenham Hotspur, because if that ends up being the case then we'll be on a fantastic journey over the coming decade.
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Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
'On his way' and becoming are two different things and Bale himself speaks more highly of AVB with regards to his step up in performances than anyone else so that's enough for me, I'm sure you know better than the man himself though
To be the PFA player of the year and in the UEFA team of the year prior to AVB's arrival would tend to suggest he was already an acclaimed superstar.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Didn't players start doubling and trebling up on Bale with Redknapp, who started talking about the need for him to adapt his game to deal with it? The opposition obviously thought he was something special.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Fantastic post Finney couldn't agree more.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
He doesn't mention anyone else in the article shown in Dubai's post because the article is about AVB. We have no idea what he thought of'On his way' and becoming are two different things and Bale himself speaks more highly of AVB with regards to his step up in performances than anyone else so that's enough for me, I'm sure you know better than the man himself though
his other managers. I accept he thought highly of AVB and I accept they worked together well and it was that relationship that helped bale to raise his game even further. But saying he coached bale to superstardom is wide of the mark imo. Finney's post illustrates very clearly that AVB did not just pick up an underachieving player and coach him to brilliance. I also contend any reasonable football coach can make a player raise their game by having a good relationship with them , after all Tim did it with Adebayor.
The original point has been somewhat lost here - I disagreed with the idea that AVB came here with a 'ready made superstar' in the team - Bale was not at that level when AVB arrived, he was a young player with the potential to be a WC player but it wasn't until his last season that he realised that potential - in fact it wasn't until the season was well underway that everything kicked off for him iirc
No amount of twisting can change that afaic - I'm not saying Bale wasn't destined to be WC or that he wasn't already a great player, just no one can deny he stepped it up a gear in that last season, under AVB.
A question then, If Bale was the same level the season prior and he was lucky enough to be playing in a team with another superstar in Modric, as well as VdV, King and a motivated and on form Adebayor - how the hell did we only manage to finish one place higher?? I wonder how well AVB would have done with that team if he managed to get 5th with only one of those great players...
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He won PFA Player of the year under Redknapp so in terms of being a star - I think he pretty much was
Fair enough, no denying he stepped up his level of performances in that final season though, right? I mean if he was at that level the year prior we probably would have finished a bit higher had we had a player capable of dragging us through matches by himself, would have come in handy during that end of season collapse
See I thought his performances dipped but his output went crazy from jan - may. He will never hit as many worldy's as that in such a short space of time again. Your right in terms of goals - it was phenomenal
I guess that could be down to the change in role? He went from provider to finisher between the two seasons - may have even been that he started the season (his last here) as a creator and then switched later as it became clear our forward options weren't cutting the mustard.