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Kyle Walker
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Serge Aurier
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Would you not say Johnson is more experienced, and more useful than Walker is? Johnson can actually score goals and gets selected ahead of Walker in every England team.
Im not saying we should buy those players, but we should definitely be looking to buy a right back in the summer.
Would you not say Johnson is more experienced, and more useful than Walker is? Johnson can actually score goals and gets selected ahead of Walker in every England team.
Im not saying we should buy those players, but we should definitely be looking to buy a right back in the summer.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
I think Johnson is terrible, he has scored some very impressive goals certainly but defensively he is a disaster, slow in getting back from his forays up field (despite his pace), positionally he makes Gerrard look disciplined, he is weak (and often desperately late) in the tackle and turns his back all the time, he consistently loses his man when defending crosses from the other flank and rarely challenges in the air, he's not even the best RB at Liverpool let alone the best RB in England. I'd put him way behind Walker, and Naughton, and my mate Dave from my Saturday team.
I think Johnson is terrible, he has scored some very impressive goals certainly but defensively he is a disaster, slow in getting back from his forays up field (despite his pace), positionally he makes Gerrard look disciplined, he is weak (and often desperately late) in the tackle and turns his back all the time, he consistently loses his man when defending crosses from the other flank and rarely challenges in the air, he's not even the best RB at Liverpool let alone the best RB in England. I'd put him way behind Walker, and Naughton, and my mate Dave from my Saturday team.
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Serge Aurier
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Ah I should play Saturdays. I played Sundays the other week for the first time in a year and I was atrocious. A bit like Walker! :lol:
Ah I should play Saturdays. I played Sundays the other week for the first time in a year and I was atrocious. A bit like Walker! :lol:
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Jimmy McCormick
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Johnson is decent attacking, but he's a completely brick defender.
Rafael is still relatively inexperienced. He makes rash errors from time to time. I wouldn't put him above Walker. Though he has the capacity to get there.
Sagna has never been the same since that leg break. Previous to that he was comfortably better then Walker. Post that i have doubts.
I'd take Zabaletta. he's better.
Ivanovic is decent too, though he's still very error prone.
I'd agree that two of those are comfortably better, and one has the potential to be better. However the two that are better play for Moneybags FC 1 and 2, and the one with potential plays for Man United.
Can't really expect our players to be that much better than theirs, with the funds we have at our disposal.
There are more important areas to focus on. Strikers and backup wingers for starters.
Havent we gone through this in an earlier post?
I would rather have
Rafael
Zabaletta
Johnson
Sagna
Ivanovic
There are probably more from teams like Swansea, Everton or West Brom (I dont actually know who plays there) that I would rather have in the Spurs team. And he has had an extremely poor season so to say that he is one of the best at the minute .....
Johnson is decent attacking, but he's a completely brick defender.
Rafael is still relatively inexperienced. He makes rash errors from time to time. I wouldn't put him above Walker. Though he has the capacity to get there.
Sagna has never been the same since that leg break. Previous to that he was comfortably better then Walker. Post that i have doubts.
I'd take Zabaletta. he's better.
Ivanovic is decent too, though he's still very error prone.
I'd agree that two of those are comfortably better, and one has the potential to be better. However the two that are better play for Moneybags FC 1 and 2, and the one with potential plays for Man United.
Can't really expect our players to be that much better than theirs, with the funds we have at our disposal.
There are more important areas to focus on. Strikers and backup wingers for starters.
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Simon Davies
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
I would only take Zabaleta out of that lot to play RB. Ivanovic was a nightmare with the high-line under AVB and isn't first choice RB at his club, gets more games as CB now. Rafael I don't fancy at all.. he would get sent of every month if he wasn't at Utd, dirty player. Johnson and Walker are very much similar and Sagna is IMO gone as a top flight player and will leave Arsenal in the summer.
If Walker became available, every team above where you spoke of them having better RBs would be interested in Walker.
Havent we gone through this in an earlier post?
I would rather have
Rafael
Zabaletta
Johnson
Sagna
Ivanovic
There are probably more from teams like Swansea, Everton or West Brom (I dont actually know who plays there) that I would rather have in the Spurs team. And he has had an extremely poor season so to say that he is one of the best at the minute .....
I would only take Zabaleta out of that lot to play RB. Ivanovic was a nightmare with the high-line under AVB and isn't first choice RB at his club, gets more games as CB now. Rafael I don't fancy at all.. he would get sent of every month if he wasn't at Utd, dirty player. Johnson and Walker are very much similar and Sagna is IMO gone as a top flight player and will leave Arsenal in the summer.
If Walker became available, every team above where you spoke of them having better RBs would be interested in Walker.
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Serge Aurier
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
As I have said before, I was a bit harsh on saying that Walker is brick. But he is nowhere near the levels he was performing at last season. He has had awful games this season that have cost us
Chelsea home
Liverpool away
Inter Milan away (well put us into extra time which didnt help at all)
Fulham home
these are just ones I can remember off the top of my head but most home games this season I have been shouting at him for his errors. His crossing has been poor this season, as has his shooting (Everton on Sunday he had an awful shot in the 1st half) where it is no where near the goal. Most of his choices he makes are the wrong ones, he cuts back when he should cross, he crosses when he should cut back, and he hardly ever beats a man. He also fouls a lot in dangerous positions and I just think if he was playing for United or someone like that he would have been dropped on more than one occasion. He is not a top 4 defender IMO and needs to raise his game, if he is like this next season then he will be sold come 2015.
As I have said before, I was a bit harsh on saying that Walker is brick. But he is nowhere near the levels he was performing at last season. He has had awful games this season that have cost us
Chelsea home
Liverpool away
Inter Milan away (well put us into extra time which didnt help at all)
Fulham home
these are just ones I can remember off the top of my head but most home games this season I have been shouting at him for his errors. His crossing has been poor this season, as has his shooting (Everton on Sunday he had an awful shot in the 1st half) where it is no where near the goal. Most of his choices he makes are the wrong ones, he cuts back when he should cross, he crosses when he should cut back, and he hardly ever beats a man. He also fouls a lot in dangerous positions and I just think if he was playing for United or someone like that he would have been dropped on more than one occasion. He is not a top 4 defender IMO and needs to raise his game, if he is like this next season then he will be sold come 2015.
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Milenko Acimovic
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
I don't want to sell him and looking at my post I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear on that. I'm disappointed by the amount of flak he gets.
Agreed . Looking at the player as an monetary investment he's no David Bentley is he ?
Wasn't he part of a 6 million pound deal with the other Kyle ? So Lets say he cost us 3 million . We could triple that on a sell, no trouble.
Agreed.
Plenty in fees and wages I'd imagine . The alternative is to promote Adam Smith or Kyle Naughton.
I asked my original question in response to those who seem to have given up on him . Personally I'm fine with Walker and I'm just surprised by some the constant criticism he gets. Against Everton he were surely one of our best players.
I don't want to sell him and looking at my post I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear on that. I'm disappointed by the amount of flak he gets.
Agreed . Looking at the player as an monetary investment he's no David Bentley is he ?
Wasn't he part of a 6 million pound deal with the other Kyle ? So Lets say he cost us 3 million . We could triple that on a sell, no trouble.
Agreed.
Plenty in fees and wages I'd imagine . The alternative is to promote Adam Smith or Kyle Naughton.
I asked my original question in response to those who seem to have given up on him . Personally I'm fine with Walker and I'm just surprised by some the constant criticism he gets. Against Everton he were surely one of our best players.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
People see what they want to see. If a player has a few shaky moments and you don't particularly like them then that is all you see, the negatives, and any positives are forgotten. I do it myself with Parker, though when I get to look at the match a second time, knowing the result and without the underlying tension, then I see stuff that I didn't see or chose to ignore first time around.
Walker had a poor first half of the season but has put in some excellent performances since the turn of the year, with a few notable exceptions. I am am certain that Zin's rating averages will bear out that fact. If you think that Walker had a poor match against Everton then either your standards are amazingly high or are choosing to focus on the negatives only.
People see what they want to see. If a player has a few shaky moments and you don't particularly like them then that is all you see, the negatives, and any positives are forgotten. I do it myself with Parker, though when I get to look at the match a second time, knowing the result and without the underlying tension, then I see stuff that I didn't see or chose to ignore first time around.
Walker had a poor first half of the season but has put in some excellent performances since the turn of the year, with a few notable exceptions. I am am certain that Zin's rating averages will bear out that fact. If you think that Walker had a poor match against Everton then either your standards are amazingly high or are choosing to focus on the negatives only.
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Steve Sedgley
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Like I said, I think just how overrated he was last season is hurting him a bit now. It was absolutely ridiculous that he got the PFA young player of the season last year with Aguero and Bale (I think) both in the running for it.
I don't think he's gone backwards much this season apart from a poor 2-3 months at the start of the season, the kind of instability that you have to expect for a young player. But I was one of those who were rather critical of him last season, he made a lot of the same mistakes as he's making this season. His positioning was poor, he couldn't cross, his passing was poor. Difference was that we weren't punished for those mistakes as much last season so a lot of people were happy to gloss over those mistakes.
I think he's improved this season, his passing is improving, as is his positioning. He's not rushing into situations and getting caught as much either.
Like I said, I think just how overrated he was last season is hurting him a bit now. It was absolutely ridiculous that he got the PFA young player of the season last year with Aguero and Bale (I think) both in the running for it.
I don't think he's gone backwards much this season apart from a poor 2-3 months at the start of the season, the kind of instability that you have to expect for a young player. But I was one of those who were rather critical of him last season, he made a lot of the same mistakes as he's making this season. His positioning was poor, he couldn't cross, his passing was poor. Difference was that we weren't punished for those mistakes as much last season so a lot of people were happy to gloss over those mistakes.
I think he's improved this season, his passing is improving, as is his positioning. He's not rushing into situations and getting caught as much either.
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Hossam Ghaly
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
fudge me, writing a player off at 22 years old because of an inconsistant season............. some support....
fudge me, writing a player off at 22 years old because of an inconsistant season............. some support....
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Exactly. Thank F**k we didnt do the same thing with Bale (and before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying that Walker will reach anywhere near the heights of Bale, but some perspective is required)
Exactly. Thank F**k we didnt do the same thing with Bale (and before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying that Walker will reach anywhere near the heights of Bale, but some perspective is required)
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Steve Sedgley
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Thought he had another very good game against Basel. One shaky moment where he tried to intercept a pass, but didn't get to it. Still can't cross, but we already know that.
That Salah (sp?) kid caused us a lot of problems down our left hand side in the first and second game, for several left backs. When he was moved to the left today he was kept more or less silent for the rest of the game.
Or are people seeing something wrong with this performance too?
Thought he had another very good game against Basel. One shaky moment where he tried to intercept a pass, but didn't get to it. Still can't cross, but we already know that.
That Salah (sp?) kid caused us a lot of problems down our left hand side in the first and second game, for several left backs. When he was moved to the left today he was kept more or less silent for the rest of the game.
Or are people seeing something wrong with this performance too?
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
He was outstanding I thought. Thought he made Saleh look very easy to contain
He was outstanding I thought. Thought he made Saleh look very easy to contain
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Steve Sedgley
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
Because Walker not only told him to be his bitch, but also to like it?
Nah, actually they had taken off their other winger that Saleh earlier changed positions with and put on a right back to try to contain the game. After we scored (and then the sending off) it probably seemed better to their manager to have Saleh struggling a bit on the left and have the right back function reasonably well as a winger than to have a right back playing as a left winger.
Because Walker not only told him to be his bitch, but also to like it?
Nah, actually they had taken off their other winger that Saleh earlier changed positions with and put on a right back to try to contain the game. After we scored (and then the sending off) it probably seemed better to their manager to have Saleh struggling a bit on the left and have the right back function reasonably well as a winger than to have a right back playing as a left winger.
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Justin Edinburgh
Re: Mentally i think something might be wrong with walker
When he doesn't have time to think too much, he does okay. I thought he was one of the best players in the second leg.
When he doesn't have time to think too much, he does okay. I thought he was one of the best players in the second leg.
