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Hugo Lloris

If Lloris misses the ball or lets it through his hands then he is in trouble. If he still collides with Lukaku then it could be interpreted as preventing Lukaku from gettting the ball. A red is quite possible for preventing the goal scoring opportunity.

Likewise, if Lukaku had got to the ball first and nudged it beyond Lloris, Lloris would be in danger of a red if he still collides with Lukaku.

As it happened, Lloris got there first, Lukaku rightly gets a yellow for the foul as he got there too late. A red just because the collision was a bad one would be very unfair as he looked intent on getting the ball and wasn't being reckless.

Overall, Lloris is the one taking the risks, either of giving away a penalty or to his person. It's a very fine line between being a great goalkeeper or a clumsy one.
 
It's painfully obvious from that Gif that not only was it accidental but Lukaku actually makes a movement to his right in an attempt to avoid contact.
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ium=newsletter&utm_campaign=tottenham-hotspur

Speaking on Wednesday, Villas-Boas went on the offensive, saying:

I want to believe that Lukaku’s leg was not left late to clash into Hugo’s head. I find it remarkable that nobody has actually found out if he could have avoided the goalkeeper and I am disappointed that Lukaku hasn’t contacted Hugo.

I don’t question Lukaku’s integrity, but I think he could have jumped over perfectly.
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This angle shows Lukaku could see he would be late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EQNev_OH0_I
 
So he was fine to continue playing directly after the incident based on a one minute examination of his situation on the pitch with no equipment. Yet after further examination he wasn't ready to be on the bench midweek against Sheriff or even ready to be on the bench today against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Right...
 
braineclipse said:
So he was fine to continue playing directly after the incident based on a one minute examination of his situation on the pitch with no equipment. Yet after further examination he wasn't ready to be on the bench midweek against Sheriff or even ready to be on the bench today against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Right...
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Thick as pig **** decision from AVB.
 
braineclipse said:
So he was fine to continue playing directly after the incident based on a one minute examination of his situation on the pitch with no equipment. Yet after further examination he wasn't ready to be on the bench midweek against Sheriff or even ready to be on the bench today against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Right...
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thats exactly why he should have been taken off, no matter what he personally wanted. To protect himself he should have been take off. Jeez this is only football, why risk a mans health
 
Last week was a poor decision, both in the moment and now in retrospect. Fortunately the team are now doing the right thing and so let's hope Lloris is well again soon and for the long term.
 
AVB now needs to come clean and admit a mistake. No shame in that, and digging the hole any deeper would be awful. Any further defensiveness about it would further undermine his medical team.
 
chancer said:
AVB now needs to come clean and admit a mistake. No shame in that, and digging the hole any deeper would be awful. Any further defensiveness about it would further undermine his medical team.
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No chance he'll refuse to take responsibility as usual
 
Something I find puzzling is that Tottenham (rightfully) have taken a lot of critisism over the past week regarding letting Lloris continue after being knocked unconscious. Yet I don't think I have seen anything like the same sort of critisism levelled at Arsenal after the same happened to their keeper yesterday. Did I just happen to miss the critisism or something?

On another note I wonder whether AVB will look to enter the market for a new (backup) keeper in January? It is now more clear than ever that Friedel isn't at all suited to helping defend the high line that AVB wants his team to play. His starting position seems to be deeper than that of Lloris, he is slower to react to coming out and then once he has reacted he is also slower to get there. I think it would be poor management to go into the second half of the season with a second choice keeper who is so ill suited to our gameplan.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Something I find puzzling is that Tottenham (rightfully) have taken a lot of critisism over the past week regarding letting Lloris continue after being knocked unconscious. Yet I don't think I have seen anything like the same sort of critisism levelled at Arsenal after the same happened to their keeper yesterday. Did I just happen to miss the critisism or something?

On another note I wonder whether AVB will look to enter the market for a new (backup) keeper in January? It is now more clear than ever that Friedel isn't at all suited to helping defend the high line that AVB wants his team to play. His starting position seems to be deeper than that of Lloris, he is slower to react to coming out and then once he has reacted he is also slower to get there. I think it would be poor management to go into the second half of the season with a second choice keeper who is so ill suited to our gameplan.
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From what I saw (albeit a quick replay), Sczezny wasn't knocked out was he? He seemed to be moving his legs almost immediately afterwards.

Perhaps most importantly however, and the main reason that the media (and I) have been laying into AVB's conduct about this is that despite some of our fans subsequently trying to change the story to defend AVB, the medics on the scene clearly wanted to take Lloris off. They were ushering him off. Lloris, despite having no idea what just happened, tried to force them to stay on. I think AVB subsequently made a fotballing decision as opposed to a human (as in, caring for Lloris' health) at this point. Had we been 3-0 up or hadn't already used 2 subs, I think AVB would have subbed Lloris regardless of how much he wanted to protest.

That (and his constant refusal to admit any wrongdoing since, as well as lumping his conduct alongside the medical team's) is what has grated me over this episode.

And I don't think the Arsenal medics ever indicated they wanted him off.


I agree on the 2nd point though. Friedel is clearly slowing but I still think he's a good keeper in the right system (most systems). We should either change the system when we play so that the line is deeper or change him. AVB doesn't look like he wants to do the first so makes sense to move both him and Gomes along in the next 6 months, hopefully saving a ****load in wages and bring in a 2nd choice who is more suited to the system, even if he isn't necessarily as good as Friedel.
 
training well for ukraine

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Good news, hopefully the international games will give him a chance to shake off any rustiness that injury caused (if he even needs that, probably not) and he'll be back to his best come the City game.

Hopefully it will be a long long time until the next league game where Lloris isn't in our goal.
 
Couple of good saves last night, but overall another bit of a shambles of a performance from him. His head's not right I don't think. A lot of pounding the turf with his fist as the net ripples.
 
chancer said:
Couple of good saves last night, but overall another bit of a shambles of a performance from him. His head's not right I don't think. A lot of pounding the turf with his fist as the net ripples.
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Really? Shambles? I remember one cross he didn't get away, but he got a free kick for that one iirc and a couple of misplaced long-ish passes. That along with getting most crosses he went for away and making some solid saves.

Is there something I'm not remembering here?
 
braineclipse said:
Really? Shambles? I remember one cross he didn't get away, but he got a free kick for that one iirc and a couple of misplaced long-ish passes. That along with getting most crosses he went for away and making some solid saves.

Is there something I'm not remembering here?
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Yeah, sorry, "shambles" was too harsh. Couple of dodgy punches again, poor distribution throughout, extreme frustration when the goals were conceded. I guess I meant he looks an unsettled and unhappy presence there at the moment.
 
chancer said:
Yeah, sorry, "shambles" was too harsh. Couple of dodgy punches again, poor distribution throughout, extreme frustration when the goals were conceded. I guess I meant he looks an unsettled and unhappy presence there at the moment.
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A goalkeeper should be frustrated when he receives all the protection of a cotton condom from the team ahead of him against a reserve West Ham side leading to them equalizing and then taking the lead in a cup quarter final at home.

Mentally I think he's one of the toughest goalkeepers around. He's made a couple of mistakes recently, but he still has the confidence to pass it out between two opponents in his own box and he still comes for crosses and is quickly off his line against onrushing opponents.
 
braineclipse said:
A goalkeeper should be frustrated when he receives all the protection of a cotton condom from the team ahead of him against a reserve West Ham side leading to them equalizing and then taking the lead in a cup quarter final at home.

Mentally I think he's one of the toughest goalkeepers around. He's made a couple of mistakes recently, but he still has the confidence to pass it out between two opponents in his own box and he still comes for crosses and is quickly off his line against onrushing opponents.
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^^ This, like Holtby, he is one that you can see being beaten hurts, something I like to see in a player.
 
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