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HRH Queenie

Entirely Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s fault. He was retired from public life for good reason, and allowing him to take a role in all this Ruritanian absurdity simply invites legitimate abuse.

As I understand it, it’s part of his mums funeral customs. How can a son not be there??

I realise that after a few of my posts recently I must be coming off as a massive royalist. I’m not. One of my grandads was, as he served in the British army.

Hereditary titles are not really my thing, however they stoped BOJO from being the the highest authority on the land, and Truss as his replacement is worse. So maybe they have a place, even if they can not say or do much.
 
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As I understand it it’s part of his mums funeral customs. How can a son not be there??

I realise that after a few of my posts recently I must be coming off as a massive royalist. I’m not. One of my grandads was, as he served in the British army.

Hereditary titles are not really my thing, however they stoped BOJO from being the the highest authority on the land, and Truss as his replacement is worse. So maybe they have a place, even if they can not say or do much.

That's the pure reason I'm not a republican. Because if Elizabeth had been a president, Boris Johnson would currently be being elected as our new one (and Blair would probably have been it a decade or so ago).
 
That's the pure reason I'm not a republican. Because if Elizabeth had been a president, Boris Johnson would currently be being elected as our new one (and Blair would probably have been it a decade or so ago).

Sorry if this sounds rude or aggressive but that is is a cop out of a position. There are plenty of ways of ensuring it is not a political appointment (e.g. anyone who has held a senior cabinet position in the last 10 years is ineligible. Blair wouldn't get elected now with all the Iraq war brick sticking to him and Johnson never secured a majority of votes in the country either) and an elected ceremonial head of state works in many countries. You can even have a system like in one of the Scandi countries where the 'power' of accepting a new government rests with the Speaker of the House and the Head of State is purely there for meet-and-greets and ribbon cutting.

Ultimately, you either think having a hereditary head of state, power (and there is plenty of soft power and influence there) due to being born to it, is acceptable or not. If we had a proper Constitution with a legally defined and balanced devolvement of power, a properly balanced and elected Upper Chamber then it wouldn't matter as much as the shambles and corruption that we allow to happen now.
 
Sorry if this sounds rude or aggressive but that is is a cop out of a position. There are plenty of ways of ensuring it is not a political appointment (e.g. anyone who has held a senior cabinet position in the last 10 years is ineligible. Blair wouldn't get elected now with all the Iraq war brick sticking to him and Johnson never secured a majority of votes in the country either) and an elected ceremonial head of state works in many countries. You can even have a system like in one of the Scandi countries where the 'power' of accepting a new government rests with the Speaker of the House and the Head of State is purely there for meet-and-greets and ribbon cutting.

Ultimately, you either think having a hereditary head of state, power (and there is plenty of soft power and influence there) due to being born to it, is acceptable or not. If we had a proper Constitution with a legally defined and balanced devolvement of power, a properly balanced and elected Upper Chamber then it wouldn't matter as much as the shambles and corruption that we allow to happen now.


Not saying you are wrong in any of that, but as long as there is power and money involved humans will be corrupted.
Doesn't matter system you use, it is a sad fact of life.
 
As I understand it, it’s part of his mums funeral customs. How can a son not be there??

I realise that after a few of my posts recently I must be coming off as a massive royalist. I’m not. One of my grandads was, as he served in the British army.

Hereditary titles are not really my thing, however they stoped BOJO from being the the highest authority on the land, and Truss as his replacement is worse. So maybe they have a place, even if they can not say or do much.

Sorry in which way did they stop Bojo from being the highest authority on the land? He literally told her to prorogue parliament and because the monarchy has no actual power, she did it?
 
I had initially sent this as a private message/via my own social media to some, but it is an opinion I am comfortable sharing thus here is something I wrote...FWIW, 'Bubbsy' was my cat, and boy, he was a lot fudging more than that. I am heartbroken...





I will tread carefully.
The disgrace and disgust of our imperialist past is not only undeniable but must be acknowledged, taught and used as a catalyst for action. Ditto those of Belgium, Holland, Italy, Spain, etc...my mother was Irish. 100%, none of this 'twice removed' stuff, she was from Dublin. My father was Iranian, none of this 'twice removed' stuff, he was from Tehran. I was born and raised in London. We were a household which actively discussed politics and history. We stood for what we believed. We went on marches and did our best not to just be 'armchair liberals'. Ignorance of bloody pasts was not an option in our family...
...but the only way anyone can process or start to understand what the Queen's death means to many people, is to understand the importance of symbolism and ritual. You're welcome to look underneath that carpet and see the death, the suffering, the dirt and rotting food, but it might make a lot more sense right now to also see what millions of other people see, if only to understand why they simply won't either hear you or process what you're saying for approximately the next 10-12 days. That's important to remember; they can't hear you....
...I think the death of the Queen is actually somewhat of a funeral for any notion (however weak, however false) of what Britain was. The imperfections are quite obviously numerous, and the whole notion of a Royal Family is certainly now simply one of 'business' and 'commerce'. Yet it is undeniable that the Queen, 70 years serving, was a figurehead, a consistent and metronomic presence whose presence embraced all that Britain presented itself to be. Let's face it, the Queen, afternoon tea, scones, clotted cream & jam, crustless cucumber sandwiches, TEA, laugh as you fudging wish, those are cornerstones of the packaged and sold 'Britishness', and it is important to view these tourist cliches outside the bloody history of colonialism if you want to even stand a chance of understanding what this death actually symbolizes (accurately or not), and to maybe one day being able to convince people there's another potential path...
...I believe the British people are already in a depressive fog from all which the covid19 situation brought, from all that Brexit has brought, from the woeful poverty millions are in and millions more are on the precipice of, from the proliferation of multi-millionaires and corporations who do not give a brick about the continuing divides. These are ugly days, overseen by populists or outright my tits unqualified to lead a queue at your local Sainsburys, let alone a country in need of universally compassionate and effective leadership more than ever...
...like it or not -and as is the way with the foghorn of the internet, many have 'proudly' stated they don't- the Queen was a comfort to many millions of people. Now, you can start screaming from your keyboard at Alice from Chichester or Dave from Dartford about Britain's disgraceful colonial past (again, nobody should remain ignorant of that), however it might be worth considering that Alice and Dave will likely look back blankly, say they don't hate anyone, and tell you they're just sad that the Queen (you know, the monarch who hung out with Paddington Bear and delivered a speech every Christmas which basically told the nation she admired them, to be strong and be compassionate) is dead...
...personally? I think the level of mourning is bizarre. I admired her as a woman born into a position she didn't request, who did her duty for 70 years, and who stood up to Thatcher. Besides, on the day she passed, I lost my King (Bubbsy) and that has both broken MY heart and taken MY attentions and emotions...
...I will say I just didn't understand the level of mourning (no football? WHY?!!!), until I realized (just an hour ago) that perhaps the Queens' death represents the official 'end' of a 'safer' Britain for many millions. Regardless of your opinions and whether you agree with monarchies or not, this is (I believe) a salient fact. Look, and sorry to hammer home the horror, but Liz Truss is Prime Minister, Charles is about to be King, the economy is stuck in a brick-filled u-bend, poverty is climbing rapidly for many as wealth explodes for a privileged few, and divide and conquerism is rife as prejudices 'enjoy' a revival in public expression. Not a good prognosis is it?...
...I think millions are scared, and their fears are justified.
The coming week+ will see a lot of overwrought emotions expressed from all via 'the information highway' and the tangible tarmac of British streets. Royalists and anti-Royalists, grief-jackers and the genuinely scared, decent human beings and bona-fide tossers.
There are important discussions to be had about several institutions, how they currently or why they even exist. No-one should avoid those in even the medium-term. We should not duck them, and if ever there was a moment to engage in difficult discussions about horrendous, filthy pasts and the deep roots which enable them to exist in relative silence, then the coming months will surely be the right time...
...but perhaps, just perhaps, everyone can agree to take an amnesty for a week or so. Personally? I won't be engaging in round-the-clock observation. However maybe, just maybe, it would be the DECENT thing to let this process, whether grieving for the death of the Queen or fearing what happens next, play itself out until after the funeral.
Believe me, the discussions will be had, and perhaps with an observed 'truce-breathing space' everyone's hearing and comprehension will be better when it comes to creating the effective changes which are necessary...

Definitely well put.

As I'm not British I'm definitely on the outside looking in and treating people and their reactions with respect seems like a good idea.

My one objection with your post would be if people are strongly against the monarchy and would like to see it abolished. A truce breathing space can allow a mostly positive narrative around the monarchy to exist at precisely the the time when it has the most attention. The effect of which may be difficult to distinguish from pro monarchy propaganda.

Personally, and again looking from the outside, I think the criticism has it's place even at this time. But people expressing that should perhaps be mindful that what they express will be received by many that saw the Queen as someone they liked, respected and thought brought more safety to the world.
 
Sorry if this sounds rude or aggressive but that is is a cop out of a position. There are plenty of ways of ensuring it is not a political appointment (e.g. anyone who has held a senior cabinet position in the last 10 years is ineligible. Blair wouldn't get elected now with all the Iraq war brick sticking to him and Johnson never secured a majority of votes in the country either) and an elected ceremonial head of state works in many countries. You can even have a system like in one of the Scandi countries where the 'power' of accepting a new government rests with the Speaker of the House and the Head of State is purely there for meet-and-greets and ribbon cutting.

Ultimately, you either think having a hereditary head of state, power (and there is plenty of soft power and influence there) due to being born to it, is acceptable or not. If we had a proper Constitution with a legally defined and balanced devolvement of power, a properly balanced and elected Upper Chamber then it wouldn't matter as much as the shambles and corruption that we allow to happen now.

I'd maybe tempted by a lottery. 10 year term, with the pool being all state educated people who have never been a member of a political party.
 
Definitely well put.

As I'm not British I'm definitely on the outside looking in and treating people and their reactions with respect seems like a good idea.

My one objection with your post would be if people are strongly against the monarchy and would like to see it abolished. A truce breathing space can allow a mostly positive narrative around the monarchy to exist at precisely the the time when it has the most attention. The effect of which may be difficult to distinguish from pro monarchy propaganda.

Personally, and again looking from the outside, I think the criticism has it's place even at this time. But people expressing that should perhaps be mindful that what they express will be received by many that saw the Queen as someone they liked, respected and thought brought more safety to the world.

If there was a vote I'd vote to abolish it, but i would want a very robust constitutional replacement.
It is only right that people have the right to protest, i question the timing of the protest though, and whether they are doing their cause any good.
It would also be interesting to compare those that were happy to ban jerry sadowitz from a performance and those crying for free speech now. I'd be willing to bet that a fair few are the same people.
 
I think we should allow the winner of Strictly to be the head of state for a year.

It’s a public popularity contest so the winner will be popular, fit and healthy and have perfect telly teeth.

It would be great to have people of all ages and backgrounds.

I’d certainly get rid of the House of Lords then start deconstructing the flimflam that preserves 1000 years and counting of privelege.
 
I think we should allow the winner of Strictly to be the head of state for a year.

It’s a public popularity contest so the winner will be popular, fit and healthy and have perfect telly teeth.

It would be great to have people of all ages and backgrounds.

I’d certainly get rid of the House of Lords then start deconstructing the flimflam that preserves 1000 years and counting of privelege.

Get rid of the HoL, yes. But it can't be directly elected by the general population. It needs a different/lesser mandate, otherwise you end up with the mess America gets in. I'd like a version of the Irish vocational panels system.
 
Get rid of the HoL, yes. But it can't be directly elected by the general population. It needs a different/lesser mandate, otherwise you end up with the mess America gets in. I'd like a version of the Irish vocational panels system.

I’d like professional lawmakers and experts in the area of legislation along with lay people.

Try and have folk who are au fait with the existing rules and can remove all the fudge added into new laws which arise from corruption and lobbying or plain ignorance.
 
the more this story has moved on since her passing, the more I want the monarchy abolished and the more I see it will never happen. Absolute indoctrination to the masses. Insane.

Yes, industrial-scale PR/mind-conditioning techniques have always been employed that Netflix and Hollywood could only dream of..
 
Sorry in which way did they stop Bojo from being the highest authority on the land? He literally told her to prorogue parliament and because the monarchy has no actual power, she did it?

he still had to bend the Knee though didn’t he? Even that small little check is worth something.

when I see how so much of the rest of the world tend to idolise and defend their political leaders as if they are some kind of manifestation of the nation. And I see the Uk generally deride them, maybe that’s because we have a monarch… maybe?

either way there are more important battles to fight then making us a republic.
 
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