Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

[billyiddo]

100% sure he has. And now the players know it. HR officially announced as England boss on Monday 14th May, footballs worst kept secret

if that is the case then i think Levy will deserve a fair share of the blame for our slide - should have let Harry leave for England there and then if that was the case, although from his perspective we were doing well and changing manager at that point could have gone wrong as well - maybe a bit of transparency would have been better - Redknapp publicly saying he was leaving for England and that he was determined to finish here on a high, maybe - who knows might have had a galvanizing effect

 

[AdamB]

Oh I get it now, it is Levy's fault!

He's the one changing the team and the system of play all the time.
He's the one playing Bale out of position.
He's the one who works with the players in training, so much so that they couldn't put 2 accurate passes together yesterday.
He's the one who's tactics mean we cannot get behind teams anymore and have barely scored a goal away from home since Dec 28th.
I see it now!

I don't like the way Levy speaks to the press either. Using words like "they should be happy with what's happening, they're a team who have consistently finished 10th in the past" and "it'll be a miracle if we finish 4th" (last season).

I think some people need to get their heads out of Harry's arse.

Yes he got us top 4 and CL football for the first time but that is a distant memory and it isn't going to happen again any time soon if we keep playing a different system every other game.

I dont think people put that much of the blame with Levy; most people blame Harry (and rightly so in my opinion). The only thing which can be levelled at Levy is the way he takes ages to sign players during transfer windows

 

[DHSF]

I dont think people put that much of the blame with Levy; most people blame Harry (and rightly so in my opinion). The only thing which can be levelled at Levy is the way he takes ages to sign players during transfer windows

Therefore he takes part of the blame and fair share of it

Kanoute is being totally facetious. Not once have I said or has anyone said that it is Levys fault. Not once have I also said it is Harrys fault. Not once have I said it is the players fault. IT IS EVERYONES FAULT.

Harry with his England stuff. He should have sorted that out especially not letting it affect him. Also some tactics have been questionable.

Levy with his insistence on not getting in players and leaving it till the last minute and subsequently fails in delivering. Therefore we are forced to end up with overage brick to carry us till the end of the season.

Players for not performing to how they were in the first two thirds of the season. There is no excuse for them performing in the manner they have. It seems like the players do not have any pride and do not give a brick. They are old enough and wise enough to realise that they HAVE to be professional and at the moment alot of them have not. This could be aimed at a number of players. I think Bale has been a taco. I think Modric has been a moaning git. I think VDV needs to buckle up and do what he does i.e. stay the fudge up front.

If you are gonna lay blame on Harry then all parties have to be blamed. If you want Harry then you know what? id also get rid of the likes of Bale and Modric and VDV etc and you know why? cos they have no fudgein character when the pressure is on. They wont succeed at another club because their true colours are now known. When the brick hits the fan - they all crawl under a stone.

 

[camspur]

I dont think people put that much of the blame with Levy; most people blame Harry (and rightly so in my opinion). The only thing which can be levelled at Levy is the way he takes ages to sign players during transfer windows

And the reason he takes ages is to try to get the best deal for the club, if I remember rightly the last team (Billionaire's Row aside) to spend beyond their means to get Champions League football disappeared from the Premier League very shortly after and are still in the lower divisions.

I'd sooner have his approach than get relegated and stay there.

 

[Modric THFC]

Why? It is not like he is a goal scoring machine, especially when you consider his pathetic finishing

Nothing to do with finishing.
He offers something Defoe's doesn't upfront: hold up play.
Also we would have targeted getting crosses in the box with Adebayor in there, because Defoe was in there all we could attempt to do try to get a low cross in (which QPR knew was coming).
We could even have went 442. We would have had a lot more options. Yesterday we had no options upfront and I couldn't see how we were gonna score even if we played another 90 minutes.

 

[DHSF]

And the reason he takes ages is to try to get the best deal for the club, if I remember rightly the last team (Billionaire's Row aside) to spend beyond their means to get Champions League football disappeared from the Premier League very shortly after and are still in the lower divisions.

I'd sooner have his approach than get relegated and stay there.

Understandable hence why you cant have your cake and eat it. You cant blame Harry for not bringing in the quality of players if Levy is not buying the players Harry wants because "he is trying to get the best deal" This is a high risk high reards strategy and unfortunately we aint getting any rewards i.e. quality players. THATS WHY Harry is getting in Saha and Nielsen and a 40 yr old Friedel. This is why I cannot fathom why everyone is totally blaming Harry

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

The seeds of this meltdown were sown ages ago when we were picking up points, but really not playing well at all. I commented on Adebayor and how he was taking the tinkle with his performances. Bale went off the boil and Modric nowhere near as influential. These days, squads need to be 'gingered up' in January. Pardew did it, but Harry didn't!

 

[braineclipse]

Why? It is not like he is a goal scoring machine, especially when you consider his pathetic finishing

Defoe will never be a lone striker. You could see how obviously we lacked anything resembling a target man yesterday. QPR noticed as well, put our defenders under pressure, since we're not great at playing our way out from the back we were forced into playing long balls and it was easily dealt with by their defenders.

 

[mick cooper]

The seeds of this meltdown were sown ages ago when we were picking up points, but really not playing well at all. I commented on Adebayor and how he was taking the tinkle with his performances. Bale went off the boil and Modric nowhere near as influential. These days, squads need to be 'gingered up' in January. Pardew did it, but Harry didn't!

lets hope Levy reads this then, with your tactical nous and perspicacity, you are cert to fill Harrys shoes

:lol:

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

lets hope Levy reads this then, with your tactical nous and perspicacity, you are cert to fill Harrys shoes

:lol:

Could we do as badly? I would bet that all things being equal, we could manage teams quite as well as someone like Redknapp. These days most of the work involves media. Have the gift of the gab and you are half way there.

 

[braineclipse]

Only thing which might suggest that he hasnt is that if all the players knew as well, it would amaze me if it didnt leak out

However, as I said, I really cannot believe that the FA would be leaving it til 14 May to start talking to someone - squads need to be named on 29 May and we play Norway and Belgium on 26 May and 2 June....they must have the person lined up already

You'd think so.

Being in a panicked rush isn't a great starting point for any negotiating situation, to be in a panicked rush when entering discussions with Levy would be a terrible idea. I think there would be pound signs flashing in Levy's eyes if The FA came to negotiate over Harry after the season finished.

 

[indianspur]

I actually think Levy has already cut a deal with the FA. The FA wouldnt be so stupid as to leave an appointment so late. Season finishes on 13 May; euros start on 8 June...thats less than 4 weeks

if he has then it was always about the compensation wasnt it.......fcuk the season up but we get a bit of compensation

 

[Harry_Perkins]

If you are gonna lay blame on Harry then all parties have to be blamed.

In the same breath, can't you see you're actually potentially taking credit away from the guy here? It was widely accepted that he turned us around in his first season and he got us into the CL in the 2nd. Now, given what you're saying, it can be suggested that maybe the players just wanted to play then? It was little to do with Redknapp. So staying up and 4th place was only partly do with Redknapp. And the chairman was doing better getting the players he wanted back then. So he gets the credit for that. I think that would be absurd when clearly Redknapp was the main man. Unless you were giving equal credit to the players and chairman back when it was going well, then this argument just doesn't wash now.

Again, in fairness, Redknapp isn't using this excuse because he knows the score. When he does start blaming the players or the chairman, that is when I'll get really worried. This always suggests a manager has lost belief in himself and this will filter through to the players. Despite what you're saying, Redknapp clearly doesn't think the players or the chairman are to blame.

 

[indianspur]

In the same breath, can't you see you're actually potentially taking credit away from the guy here? It was widely accepted that he turned us around in his first season and he got us into the CL in the 2nd. Now, given what you're saying, it can be suggested that maybe the players just wanted to play then? It was little to do with Redknapp. So staying up and 4th place was only partly do with Redknapp. And the chairman was doing better getting the players he wanted back then. So he gets the credit for that. I think that would be absurd when clearly Redknapp was the main man. Unless you were giving equal credit to the players and chairman back when it was going well, then this argument just doesn't wash now.

Again, in fairness, Redknapp isn't using this excuse because he knows the score. When he does start blaming the players or the chairman, that is when I'll get really worried. This always suggests a manager has lost belief in himself and this will filter through to the players. Despite what you're saying, Redknapp clearly doesn't think the players or the chairman are to blame.

Redknapp is very clever in this respect....already this week he made a comment about lacking characters, loud voices in the dressing room, saying they are a quiet bunch, the other week he said the players cant play 4-4-2, before that he has made comments about Levy and that the chairman has to spend big in order to compete.

He wont directly blame, but his soundbites are sneakily directed at blaming everyone but himself

 

[parklane1]

Amazing that Levy is getting stick for Redknapp's inability to manage what is a very good side. Redknapp could have had Huntelaar, we could have got Suarez, Forlan was another possibility but each time Redknapp dithered, and said he thought Crouch and Pav were better.

Once he starts making excuses like he is at the moment he is getting ready too walk, he has done it before. I wonder if all the Redknapp lovers will like being slagged off in the papers by him once he does.

 

[indianspur]

Amazing that Levy is getting stick for Redknapp's inability to manage what is a very good side. Redknapp could have had Huntelaar, we could have got Suarez, Forlan was another possibility but each time Redknapp dithered, and said he thought Crouch and Pav were better.

in a nutshell

 

[DHSF]

In the same breath, can't you see you're actually potentially taking credit away from the guy here? It was widely accepted that he turned us around in his first season and he got us into the CL in the 2nd. Now, given what you're saying, it can be suggested that maybe the players just wanted to play then? It was little to do with Redknapp. So staying up and 4th place was only partly do with Redknapp. And the chairman was doing better getting the players he wanted back then. So he gets the credit for that. I think that would be absurd when clearly Redknapp was the main man. Unless you were giving equal credit to the players and chairman back when it was going well, then this argument just doesn't wash now.

Again, in fairness, Redknapp isn't using this excuse because he knows the score. When he does start blaming the players or the chairman, that is when I'll get really worried. This always suggests a manager has lost belief in himself and this will filter through to the players. Despite what you're saying, Redknapp clearly doesn't think the players or the chairman are to blame.

Harry has definitely worked within tight constraints set out by Levy and the Board. Now one can argue that another Manager could get better results with the same team HOWEVER we all know that the team isnt what its made out to be. Isnt that the reason why we have been wanting a striker and a defender for a while? So we all know the deficiencies in the squad and specifically the first 11.

This is why I am annoyed at people blaming him solely for the results and not realising that the squad had been performing above themselves in the first 2/3rds of the season and now they have tailored off now this could be for a number of reasons - fatigue (squad hasnt been rotated because I believe we lack quality as back up) or maybe theyre just lacking so much confidence or tactics or a number of other reasons.

I guess im of the "they are a team mindset" rather than a "give all the credit to the Manager". I dont give all the credit to the Manager when we were doing well and by the same token I wont blame the Manager totally for our downfall. it is a collective responsibility and one that stems from the top through to the Players and Manager.

Let me ask you something - at chelscum AVB couldnt buy a result, yet Di Matteo strolls in and sorts their brick out. why? Because the players were ****s and didnt play for AVB but ultimately youre playing for your pride, for your success and ultimately for the fans and the club itself not for the Manager. Thats why the players also deserve stick.

As Indian said, no Manager will come out and blame the players or chairman (remember how Rodgers acted when Swansea lost against manure and the lad gave away the ball? Rodgers said blame me). Isnt that then the measure of the guy that he is working within these constraints got the likes of Saha, Nielsen etc because Levy failed to deliver any real signings?

I think im going round in circles so ill leave it at that but ultimately in summary my stance is - its a collective responsibility and you blame harry you blame everyone else. Same way that success should also be attributed to everyone.

 

[DHSF]

in a nutshell

No no no - how the fudge is that ina nutshell.

How many are thankful we didnt spend 25m on Suarez?

How about Forlan at high wages and at 32? - the same criticism is aimed at Harry for getting in LOANS on "high" wages and these are just loans. GHod forbid if he got in a 32 yr old on such high wages who failed.

Huntelaar? ill give you that one but what the fudge are we saying when we say Redknapp could have had huntelaar? Maybe harry did go for Huntelaar but Levy was the one who didnt make the deal?

We do not know what Harrys transfer targets were but what I can guarantee (a fudgein fair assumption) Saha was not on that list.

 

[parklane1]

No one will win us trophies mate, not until Ferguson retires anyway. 4th is about as good as it will get for us for at least 4/5 years

Not sure about that, but Redknapp's record of one trophy in over 30 years of being manager shows that he never will. Especially the way he sacks cup games.

 

[Gutter Boy]

1 in 9, or 2 from 8 - which is worse? (Redknapp vs Ramos)

I've not seen an implosion this bad in my 24 years watching Spurs.

Now Ramos' start to 08/09 was pretty dreadful, but to be fair we had sold all our forwards from underneath him.

Redknapp now has our best team since '87 (possibly '91), yet we're pushing Wolves hard for being the biggest pushovers in the league at the moment.

So whose failure is greatest?