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Guglielmo Vicario

Muttley said:
I won't be a hypocrite here. I've been preaching for what feels like half a lifetime that Spurs need to stop buying quantity and focus on a very few quality signings + youngsters. We have done that, and chose to give Forster a one-year extension as the compromise.

I hate the transfer windows when we share the budget too thin and have 6-8 senior pros walk through the door. Everyone gets excited and pretends that they will be the best thing since sliced bread. Then everyone is dissing most of them, if not all of them, within a year for not being good enough. We've followed that pattern since time began. It doesn't work.

What I'm expecting to happen is that Forster will be as able a backup as Davies has been. Davies isn't a VDV. Forster won't be a Venom, but will be just fine. Both old heads can deal with the pressure of a mistake or two and keep it together. Both have leadership traits.
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Fully agreed.

We have to make priorities. I'd much rather have us focus on some areas and actually sorting them out with good solutions along with getting some potential longer term solution younger players in.

Of course that can also include some more short term solutions like Werner. Another could have been a new backup goalkeeper of course. But the footballing people in charge have to prioritise. Sometimes that won't work out or cost us short term. But that's the cost of doing business. Much better than creating new problems by trying to fix existing problems.
 
NickTB said:
Seems it was early in the match Get well soon

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Mrs Vert said:
Well whoever it is....wasn't a great decision. If youngsters weren't ready why keep continuing with someone who is not very mobile and give another extension to? If we were just "hoping" Vic went a possible 50 games being fine. Then not much more to say.

It was the same with Kane for what felt like 15yrs before we got someone
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thfcsteff said:
Exactly. Someone has made that decision. We will probably never find out who. And hey, if Forster steps up then all good, right?

We have had three windows to figure out a decent backup to Vic. Hopefully, the mgmt felt that Forster, Austin and Whiteman were the answer to that. Again, here's to forum postees like me getting their a r s e s handed to them on a plate my friend. But I'd be a liar if I didn't say I was concerned.
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I too have concerns. Only natural. Football fans who don't have concerns about the quality of the backup goalkeeper when the first choice is out for an extended period are rarer than Pandas (the animal, not the car).

We don't actually know what the decision was. We're not really in a position to know if it was a good/bad/average decision. Who could we have signed, what would they cost, what would the impact of a signing like that be on our other transfer business. If we had answers to those we could have an opinion on the decision.

Even then it's a decision based on probabilities. What was the likelihood of a real injury for Vicario, what was the likelihood that a replacement would be better than Forster and by how much etc.

Imo Forster could be brick and the decision could still have been the "right" one. Forster could be good and the decision could still have been "wrong". But of course more likely that it was a good decision the better Forster is now that he's needed.

But overall I'm a fan of focusing transfer businesses on finding actual solutions that can be solutions over time for problems we have. Don't fix problems by creating new one's down the line. We seem to be doing that in multiple roles and with the HG issues, but it takes time. If that means short term problems in some areas so be it.
 
braineclipse said:
Fully agreed.

We have to make priorities. I'd much rather have us focus on some areas and actually sorting them out with good solutions along with getting some potential longer term solution younger players in.

Of course that can also include some more short term solutions like Werner. Another could have been a new backup goalkeeper of course. But the footballing people in charge have to prioritise. Sometimes that won't work out or cost us short term. But that's the cost of doing business. Much better than creating new problems by trying to fix existing problems.
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Like the wise man Ange bombing Spence out of the EL squad and keeping Forster in :)
 
There have not been many [ if any] back up keepers for the number 1 [ in any club] choice that are better then the man in posistion. I have heard fans complain about most of our number 2s over the years and yet they have been some very good 2nd choices but for some reason fans bitch about how crap they are.

It happens at every club and we are no different, it seems like some fans just like to use it to have yet another bitch about LEVY, ANGE, etc. Of course it not good news about Vicario but i expect that most clubs fans say the same things when/if their number 1 gets injured.

Lets be honest the back up keeper is never going to be better then any number 1, because IF they were they would not be a back upkeeper they would be first choice elsewhere.
 
parklane1 said:
There have not been many [ if any] back up keepers for the number 1 [ in any club] choice that are better then the man in posistion. I have heard fans complain about most of our number 2s over the years and yet they have been some very good 2nd choices but for some reason fans bitch about how crap they are.

It happens at every club and we are no different, it seems like some fans just like to use it to have yet another bitch about LEVY, ANGE, etc. Of course it not good news about Vicario but i expect that most clubs fans say the same things when/if their number 1 gets injured.

Lets be honest the back up keeper is never going to be better then any number 1, because IF they were they would not be a back upkeeper they would be first choice elsewhere.
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I'm not sure we ever had two decent keepers at the same time. Thorstvedt and Walker? Lloris and Friedel? But they were both changes of generation/baton passes. I was never a particular Vorm fan.

Next season I'd much rather go with two emerging kids - say Tickle (early 20s) as #2 and Gunter (late teens) as #3.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Not a smidge of sarcasm....we were all fully behind Anges decision...made perfect sense. :)
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I did defend that decision repeatedly on here, tough I can also see the argument for the other side. I thought some of the criticism of that decision was over the top mind.

It's a decision I very much would have liked to continue to be in the minority on (as it seemed to me at the time at least) supporting if the path to people agreeing with me was an injury to Vicario...
 
braineclipse said:
I did defend that decision repeatedly on here, tough I can also see the argument for the other side. I thought some of the criticism of that decision was over the top mind.

It's a decision I very much would have liked to continue to be in the minority on (as it seemed to me at the time at least) supporting if the path to people agreeing with me was an injury to Vicario...
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Without wanting to go too far off topic, it's been a good decision because Spence has been troubled by niggly injuries. It would have been handy to give Djed a start this Thursday to give others a break but then I'm guessing Gray will start at RB who also needs the minutes. I'm not sure if it's the squad planning that's the issue or if it's the rules / restrictions in place. For example, if we really are keeping hold of Austin and White just to quality as academy produced (or whatever), who is it really helping?

I saw a post indicating we've got loads of goalkeepers but very few actual appearances in men's football beyond Vic and Fraser...

Edit - For clarity (as if it matters!), the decision regarding Spence has been good decision so far but I was absolutely against it, even from a morale POV for Djed himself. I was also against Forster signing a new contract but I guess the argument is about priorities / limits of what we're realistically able to sort out.
 
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spurspinter1 said:
Without wanting to go too far off topic, it's been a good decision because Spence has been troubled by niggly injuries. It would have been handy to give Djed a start this Thursday to give others a break but then I'm guessing Gray will start at RB who also needs the minutes. I'm not sure if it's the squad planning that's the issue or if it's the rules / restrictions in place. For example, if we really are keeping hold of Austin and White just to quality as academy produced (or whatever), who is it really helping?

I saw a post indicating we've got loads of goalkeepers but very few actual appearances in men's football beyond Vic and Fraser...
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Yep
Yet the rules mean Chelsea can store players up because they have so many and effectively have a squad for Europe and a squad for the league and because they are young remain compliant despite having only Rhys James who seems to have come through the club
 
Muttley said:
I won't be a hypocrite here. I've been preaching for what feels like half a lifetime that Spurs need to stop buying quantity and focus on a very few quality signings + youngsters. We have done that, and chose to give Forster a one-year extension as the compromise.

I hate the transfer windows when we share the budget too thin and have 6-8 senior pros walk through the door. Everyone gets excited and pretends that they will be the best thing since sliced bread. Then everyone is dissing most of them, if not all of them, within a year for not being good enough. We've followed that pattern since time began. It doesn't work.

What I'm expecting to happen is that Forster will be as able a backup as Davies has been. Davies isn't a VDV. Forster won't be a Venom, but will be just fine. Both old heads can deal with the pressure of a mistake or two and keep it together. Both have leadership traits.
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This is what we have to hope, as it is what it is. Let's further hope Forster has got better with his actual footwork.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The club have several keepers
They ain’t as good as Vicario though
But it’s conduct the worst position to recruit for
It’s why most back ups are like Forster
Older past its
Or new and young players coming through the club
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I think the key difference when you look at our rival's backups is that they suit the style of football their side plays. Forster is simply an experienced and massive unit. I am not sure he suits what we do as a team. Still, we are where we are...as said several times before, here's hoping he comes through with flying colours...
 
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