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Giovani Lo Celso

Gutter Boy said:
Spanish release clauses aren't meant to be met. The whole point of them is that they are kind of set at a stupidly high level for that player.
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Except for Neymar's. Which was paid by the idiots at PSG and fudged up transfer fees ever since.
 
It fits with Levy's M.O for 20 years, though. Hardly a leap in the dark when you suggest that low-balling is something he's prone to doing. The man even went back and tried to shave an extra million or two off of Lloris' fee, *after it had already been agreed.* :p
 
nayenezgani said:
Did he really though? Or does it suit the media narrative?
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...airman-Daniel-Levy-over-Hugo-Lloris-deal.html

"We had people speaking all night with Daniel Levy,” said Aulas, a former president of the G14 group of elite clubs. “He talks a lot and goes back on what we’ve agreed in writing. Agreements have not at all been respected.

“The first negotiation was at the start of the window, about a month and a half ago, through an intermediary who was a French lawyer who lives in Lyon. And then nothing for about a month and a half. The negotiation then picked up again about a week ago.

“We had email exchanges which have been contradicted, so that’s made it very complicated. It’s difficult. The Tottenham board’s theory is to explain that the economic market is very hard and so we have to get used to renegotiating.

“It’s been very, very difficult. I’ve got 25 years of experience as a president of a club and it’s our 16th participation in a European competition in a row. But this is very rare in the football world. The negotiation with the Tottenham directors has been the hardest I have ever had to undergo in these 25 years.”
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Yes. Yes, he did.

Whatever else he is, that he is an abominably tight-fisted skinflint in the transfer market has never really been in question. :p
 
Given they just signed him for €22m then needing to pay €100m seems crazy, even if the price was agreed BEFORE the decent season which he's just had.

That said, €40m for him seems like an opening shot from us given what creative midfielders go for and based on what we were prepared to pay for a CB in Sanchez (even if that had a lot of add-ons). I could see us going to say €50m-€55m and then moving on to other targets if not accepted
 
As I've said the Copa America starts soon so unless we get it tied up this week the deal is a non starter till at least mid July which means yet again we'll bne going into pre-season with an incomplete squad. Obviously this is on the assumption that he's our main target.
 
DubaiSpur said:
It fits with Levy's M.O for 20 years, though. Hardly a leap in the dark when you suggest that low-balling is something he's prone to doing. The man even went back and tried to shave an extra million or two off of Lloris' fee, *after it had already been agreed.* :p
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Yes. 20 years of progress, 20 years of getting us good deals, 20 years of experience in the transfer market working on a limited budget trying to compete with clubs with massive budgets compared to ours. If we're targeting Lo Celso Levy probably has no idea how to get us the best deal and Pochettino is probably fuming right now at us being made a laughing stock over this transfer.
 
parklane1 said:
Sorry to say that the usual suspects are bashing Levy already/again, more fool them for believing all the usual crap in the papers. :rolleyes:
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Don't think it is really a bash... ignorant perhaps in this situation but levy is known for his "tranfer strategy"
 
NaijaSpurs said:
No actually that is not necessarily true, quite often clubs do not release below the release clause, especially when it is a club's most valuable asset. And to be honest, when full backs like Walker went for £50m to seasons ago, and Palace are asking for £50m now do you honestly think you are going to get a midfielder who scored 16 goals and double digits in assists on the cheap? Good luck with that mate.
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So I will ask again. Do you not negotiate a purchase? If you buy a house or car for example, do you not make an opening offer below the asking price?
 
parklane1 said:
Bash, ignorance, stupidity, take your choice i guess, the point is that its the usual culprits on most occasions.
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It fits their narrative of Levy, the tightwad Jew, denying them the right to watch our club win trophies whilst he sits in a corner gleefully rubbing his hands together and trousering all the money for himself and Joe. Never mind that he has taken the club from a basket case to CL finalists with the world's best stadium,that's irrelevant.
It honestly defies belief but once people get an idea in their tiny minds.
 
He reneged on the offer to buy GNK too. Not for a second we shouldn’t make incremental bids lower than the asking price and it’s an easy one to compare with the real life scenario of buying a house or car. The house scenario is an interesting one as investors will lower an accepted bid during the process which is usually accepted as the seller does not want to restart the sale process again and is likely to have an emotional investment on a purchase dependent on the sale. However it may mean in a competitive market that levy’s reputation for doing this could mean we miss out on a preferred target or the club would prefer to do business with another club.
We’ve done some incredible business over the years but where we are now as a club we might need to pay a premium to get the player (s) we really want from a limited pool quality wise to take us onto the next level, hoping the stadium and tournament income will help us do that.
 
DubaiSpur said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...airman-Daniel-Levy-over-Hugo-Lloris-deal.html




Yes. Yes, he did.

Whatever else he is, that he is an abominably tight-fisted skinflint in the transfer market has never really been in question. :p
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Levy learning from his mistakes? Gone soft?

This from the same Aulas on another transfer a few years later:

"I thank Daniel Levy for making an offer that is respectable. Things can change from one moment to the next. I expect also a call from the United States, where he is currently, to try to move forward,"
 
elyid said:
Yeah I think it’s a requirement for him that his opening bid is laughed at.

This is a positive though, as if nobody laughs at the opening offer then he’s bid too high and the deal is off.
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I'd laugh, but that literally happened with Lloris and apparently N'Koudou, so maybe it isn't so far fetched. :p

braineclipse said:
Yes. 20 years of progress, 20 years of getting us good deals, 20 years of experience in the transfer market working on a limited budget trying to compete with clubs with massive budgets compared to ours. If we're targeting Lo Celso Levy probably has no idea how to get us the best deal and Pochettino is probably fuming right now at us being made a laughing stock over this transfer.
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Yes, yes, 20 years of penny pinching, and we are where we are now. We could argue about what that means for ages, but the point is, low-balling is something he's known for. That even this small point raises the hackles of the Levy phalanx, I really can't help, mate. :)

As for trying to get us the best deal on this, I'm also aware that Levy has never, ever shopped in this market before, and I doubt he's even tried to. To me, he seems more comfortable in the world of 15-30m transfers than he does in a market where 70m+ is needed to get you what you want - be that Ndombele or Lo Celso.

So, yes, he probably does lack experience in this area.
 
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