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Clive Wilson
Re: Gareth Bale
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Gareth Bale
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Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
But we wouldn't 'only have broken even', we would have a better squad to play in the premier league next season.
It would be a positive step, and as you say, it would have taken a gamble by Levy. It might be a big gamble, but it is only a gamble you would take if you thought you could succeed, i.e You were being ambitious.
Ambition is a desire to improve. I don't see how attempting to improve the squad via a gamble could be anything other than ambitious by definition.
But we wouldn't 'only have broken even', we would have a better squad to play in the premier league next season.
It would be a positive step, and as you say, it would have taken a gamble by Levy. It might be a big gamble, but it is only a gamble you would take if you thought you could succeed, i.e You were being ambitious.
Ambition is a desire to improve. I don't see how attempting to improve the squad via a gamble could be anything other than ambitious by definition.
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Re: Gareth Bale
well this is exactly it mate, you're plucking numbers out of thin air saying "why aren't we doing this?" "why aren't we taking more risks" "why aren't our owners putting their own money in to the Club" and each time someone will explain why we aren't doing those things.
Im not sure you know what it is your complaining about, other than we aren't able to over take clubs with more resources than us.
a sustained high level of financial backing is the only way to be in with a chance of "CL football as standard" - which means we either have to have continued financial backing from the owner each season, filling in the difference between ourselves and those above us (ie 100 mil a year or so) or suck it up and wait until the new stadium is here and we can then provide for ourselves at a higher level than we currently do. in the mean time we need to carry on as is - make the best of ourselves as a club in a business sense and then continue to reinvest that money, wisely, in the team - hoping we can build a team better than our rivals for less money.
I don't see any reason why we can't break the top 4 by being smart and maximizing what we have as a club - it'll take a lot of hard work from those involved but we can do it - i don't think we'll be able to do it regularly until the new stadium is here and we are a lot closer to Arsenal in terms of finances, but we can do it - we saw how close we were last season and that was with an unbalanced and fairly weak squad (in terms of depth) i believe we have more room for improvement than Arsenal and a good window can see us shaping up better than them come September 1st - and i don't think we need handouts from the owner in order to achieve that
well this is exactly it mate, you're plucking numbers out of thin air saying "why aren't we doing this?" "why aren't we taking more risks" "why aren't our owners putting their own money in to the Club" and each time someone will explain why we aren't doing those things.
Im not sure you know what it is your complaining about, other than we aren't able to over take clubs with more resources than us.
a sustained high level of financial backing is the only way to be in with a chance of "CL football as standard" - which means we either have to have continued financial backing from the owner each season, filling in the difference between ourselves and those above us (ie 100 mil a year or so) or suck it up and wait until the new stadium is here and we can then provide for ourselves at a higher level than we currently do. in the mean time we need to carry on as is - make the best of ourselves as a club in a business sense and then continue to reinvest that money, wisely, in the team - hoping we can build a team better than our rivals for less money.
I don't see any reason why we can't break the top 4 by being smart and maximizing what we have as a club - it'll take a lot of hard work from those involved but we can do it - i don't think we'll be able to do it regularly until the new stadium is here and we are a lot closer to Arsenal in terms of finances, but we can do it - we saw how close we were last season and that was with an unbalanced and fairly weak squad (in terms of depth) i believe we have more room for improvement than Arsenal and a good window can see us shaping up better than them come September 1st - and i don't think we need handouts from the owner in order to achieve that
Kingdawson
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Re: Gareth Bale
but that's not showing ambition imo. My definition of what you're saying is taking a gamble and doesn't show ambition. Even if it pays off it still wouldn't show ambition...it would show the gamble paid off and Levy was correct to do it but it could never be considered ambitious.
People say Arsenal apparently have a better team this season than last season but nobody described their summer activity last summer as ambitious (Selling RVP to bring in 3 or 4 good players). That's not ambitious..i mean it worked but ambitious? no.
but that's not showing ambition imo. My definition of what you're saying is taking a gamble and doesn't show ambition. Even if it pays off it still wouldn't show ambition...it would show the gamble paid off and Levy was correct to do it but it could never be considered ambitious.
People say Arsenal apparently have a better team this season than last season but nobody described their summer activity last summer as ambitious (Selling RVP to bring in 3 or 4 good players). That's not ambitious..i mean it worked but ambitious? no.
Re: Gareth Bale
If we spend a lot of money it will always be a gamble, but I would much prefer we spent money we actually had or knew we would get in the next couple of years. A fee for Bale will obviously not be paid in one installment. I don't see us spending much more than £50-60 million gross this summer, less if we keep Bale. Never spend for the sake of it. Sign players if we are confident in their ability, but spending in order to show ambition or make a statement is just ridiculous IMO.
I want to see an improvement on the squad from last season, but expecting the finished article will only lead to disappointment.
If we spend a lot of money it will always be a gamble, but I would much prefer we spent money we actually had or knew we would get in the next couple of years. A fee for Bale will obviously not be paid in one installment. I don't see us spending much more than £50-60 million gross this summer, less if we keep Bale. Never spend for the sake of it. Sign players if we are confident in their ability, but spending in order to show ambition or make a statement is just ridiculous IMO.
I want to see an improvement on the squad from last season, but expecting the finished article will only lead to disappointment.
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Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
See, the issue is you are saying we should take an extra £50m and spend that on players.
But what is spending £50m on players? It's a gamble. If the players were good enough, it would have shown that the gamble had paid off and Levy was correct to do it. So by your definition spending £50m would not be ambitious because it would be a gamble.
Taking gambles is required to be ambitious. If it's a sure thing, than it's not being ambitious.
It wasn't ambitious for Arsenal. Because they didn't sell RVP on their own terms. They were forced into it via his contract status.
See, the issue is you are saying we should take an extra £50m and spend that on players.
But what is spending £50m on players? It's a gamble. If the players were good enough, it would have shown that the gamble had paid off and Levy was correct to do it. So by your definition spending £50m would not be ambitious because it would be a gamble.
Taking gambles is required to be ambitious. If it's a sure thing, than it's not being ambitious.
It wasn't ambitious for Arsenal. Because they didn't sell RVP on their own terms. They were forced into it via his contract status.
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Gareth Bale
Hang on I wasnt even suggesting Lewis pump his own money in, never have suggested it. I wanted to know from, an investors point of view, what are the disadvantages of pumping 50m if it MAY mean additional success thus increasing revenue and profits. Now we know in football success doesnt always translate into profits but thats called a risk, the same as pumping 50m isnt going to guarantee success. Everyday in banking youll see it, people taking risks - its just that a risk hence my post about Levy and Lewis being totally risk averse where their tolerance is very low.
Do you not think Emirates Marketing Project are worth more NOW than they did three years ago? This thread is littered with plucking numbers out of thin air though - 100m for Bale? 80m for Bale? None of these have foundation. These are ridiculous sums of money.
If you really want me to work the exact financials and ROI then im sure I can, would take a few weeks and would cost a few quid (not that its my forte) but we can agree something.
And you did miss out me talking as a fan which I mentioned. We are all turning into businessmen on this thread when majority of us actually arent and we dont know the full facts - hence us plucking numbers out of thin air.
Hang on I wasnt even suggesting Lewis pump his own money in, never have suggested it. I wanted to know from, an investors point of view, what are the disadvantages of pumping 50m if it MAY mean additional success thus increasing revenue and profits. Now we know in football success doesnt always translate into profits but thats called a risk, the same as pumping 50m isnt going to guarantee success. Everyday in banking youll see it, people taking risks - its just that a risk hence my post about Levy and Lewis being totally risk averse where their tolerance is very low.
Do you not think Emirates Marketing Project are worth more NOW than they did three years ago? This thread is littered with plucking numbers out of thin air though - 100m for Bale? 80m for Bale? None of these have foundation. These are ridiculous sums of money.
If you really want me to work the exact financials and ROI then im sure I can, would take a few weeks and would cost a few quid (not that its my forte) but we can agree something.
And you did miss out me talking as a fan which I mentioned. We are all turning into businessmen on this thread when majority of us actually arent and we dont know the full facts - hence us plucking numbers out of thin air.
stinkfoot
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Re: Gareth Bale
Title contending?
Say AVB wanted those four players, others can be sold to cover some of the outlay. A £40m net spend won't turn us into Pompey and even if it didn't work out then Bale would be sold at the end of it anyway, but at least we'd have given it a decent shot. If we're not going to spend then we may as well cash in on Bale now while his price is at its peak.
Lloris
Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Coentrao
Cabaye Sandro Dembele
Bale Damiao Villa
Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Coentrao
Cabaye Sandro Dembele
Bale Damiao Villa
Title contending?
Say AVB wanted those four players, others can be sold to cover some of the outlay. A £40m net spend won't turn us into Pompey and even if it didn't work out then Bale would be sold at the end of it anyway, but at least we'd have given it a decent shot. If we're not going to spend then we may as well cash in on Bale now while his price is at its peak.
Kingdawson
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Kingdawson
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Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
I don't disagree with that, as long as it is in the best interest of Spurs to do so. Which will be dependant on the offers we receive over the summer.
I don't disagree with that, as long as it is in the best interest of Spurs to do so. Which will be dependant on the offers we receive over the summer.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
Don't think Bae is leaving, AVB has come out and said the rotation late season was due to injury issues. Also Villa wouldn't be very happy if he agrees to take a pay cut and move to a non-CL club and we then stick him out on the wing.
Probably not title contending either. You can't look at the first eleven and decide it's title contending, it takes a squad to contend the title.
Don't think Bae is leaving, AVB has come out and said the rotation late season was due to injury issues. Also Villa wouldn't be very happy if he agrees to take a pay cut and move to a non-CL club and we then stick him out on the wing.
Probably not title contending either. You can't look at the first eleven and decide it's title contending, it takes a squad to contend the title.
Re: Gareth Bale
if you was talking hypothetically i apologize for misunderstanding - however i think i explained all the same why the risk is too great for the owner of THFC to be putting in his own money, well not so much the risk - just the chance of seeing any return on that money would be minimal. like i said earlier we have 4 clubs above us who have turnovers of at least 100 million more than us, annually - that's what we are up against - a one off investment of X amount wouldn't really make much of a difference long term to the gap between the clubs.
if you was talking hypothetically i apologize for misunderstanding - however i think i explained all the same why the risk is too great for the owner of THFC to be putting in his own money, well not so much the risk - just the chance of seeing any return on that money would be minimal. like i said earlier we have 4 clubs above us who have turnovers of at least 100 million more than us, annually - that's what we are up against - a one off investment of X amount wouldn't really make much of a difference long term to the gap between the clubs.
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Pedro Mendes
Re: Gareth Bale
I plucked four names who I think AVB would want. It was for illustration but it's been shot down and now I'm convinced we should sell Bale, fold and all become Chelsea supporters.
I plucked four names who I think AVB would want. It was for illustration but it's been shot down and now I'm convinced we should sell Bale, fold and all become Chelsea supporters.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Re: Gareth Bale
Ambition is improving on what you have now without damaging your situation further. If we have to damage our side to eventually improve it, that isn't ambition in my eyes.
I wouldn't be despondent if we sold Bale for 60-80 million quid. I trust Levy, so I'm confident the money will be reinvested wisely to improve areas that need improving. Sure, I'd be immensely sad that we sent Bale off without him having a single Spurs trophy to show for it, but hey, that's the reality of modern football apparently. But on a wider financial level, it wouldn't hurt us as much as some insist it would.
So yes, Bale being sold for a record fee wouldn't be 'weakening'. But please, nobody try to spin it as us somehow showing 'ambition'. Selling our best player and trying to convince ourselves that we're somehow in a better position after doing so is not 'ambition'. That is downright deceitful.
Ambition is improving on what you have now without damaging your situation further. If we have to damage our side to eventually improve it, that isn't ambition in my eyes.
I wouldn't be despondent if we sold Bale for 60-80 million quid. I trust Levy, so I'm confident the money will be reinvested wisely to improve areas that need improving. Sure, I'd be immensely sad that we sent Bale off without him having a single Spurs trophy to show for it, but hey, that's the reality of modern football apparently. But on a wider financial level, it wouldn't hurt us as much as some insist it would.
So yes, Bale being sold for a record fee wouldn't be 'weakening'. But please, nobody try to spin it as us somehow showing 'ambition'. Selling our best player and trying to convince ourselves that we're somehow in a better position after doing so is not 'ambition'. That is downright deceitful.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Re: Gareth Bale
Another Champions League run would have made all the difference in the world to our profile, attractiveness to new signings, revenue streams and viability to corporate sponsors, all of which would have helped us compete-long term with the clubs above us. One point would have gotten us there. One point. One scrappy goal against Fulham, or one goal-line clearance against Everton. or Wigan. One. Investing in one good striker in January, or one good creative midfielder, or one more left-back.....could well have made the difference.
So an investment could very well have made us immensely competitive against the teams above us. I'm not suggesting we should have asked big Joe for one , but don't assume that it's pointless for him to invest because the gap is so wide between us and the clubs above us. It isn't.
Another Champions League run would have made all the difference in the world to our profile, attractiveness to new signings, revenue streams and viability to corporate sponsors, all of which would have helped us compete-long term with the clubs above us. One point would have gotten us there. One point. One scrappy goal against Fulham, or one goal-line clearance against Everton. or Wigan. One. Investing in one good striker in January, or one good creative midfielder, or one more left-back.....could well have made the difference.
So an investment could very well have made us immensely competitive against the teams above us. I'm not suggesting we should have asked big Joe for one , but don't assume that it's pointless for him to invest because the gap is so wide between us and the clubs above us. It isn't.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
It could very well have made the difference, however it could also have failed to make the difference.
It would definitely on the other hand have reduced the value of the club in terms of future sales. A business that requires capital investment to remain competitive is not going to be worth as much as one that is self sufficient.
(Also one point wouldn't have gotten us there
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It could very well have made the difference, however it could also have failed to make the difference.
It would definitely on the other hand have reduced the value of the club in terms of future sales. A business that requires capital investment to remain competitive is not going to be worth as much as one that is self sufficient.
(Also one point wouldn't have gotten us there
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