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Fraser Forster

Given his seniority i'd thought he would be giving out instructions and organising the defence more. Not like vicario seething, unintelligible berserk levels, but definitely but more forceful than loris' soothing, gentle whispers
 
metalgear said:
Given his seniority i'd thought he would be giving out instructions and organising the defence more. Not like vicario seething, unintelligible berserk levels, but definitely but more forceful than loris' soothing, gentle whispers
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He was panicky in his distribution too. Two quick throws went to players under way too close a press.

I know there was the high up save towards the end. But remember he did concede 5 (with the disallowed ones) and the first 2 at least an agile keeper would have got to
 
Gutter Boy said:
He was panicky in his distribution too. Two quick throws went to players under way too close a press.

I know there was the high up save towards the end. But remember he did concede 5 (with the disallowed ones) and the first 2 at least an agile keeper would have got to
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Greavsie would have a massive total of goals if we're counting offsides as an indication of performance and we probally would have won the real European Champions Cup.
 
Sadly it's going to be what it is. And I'll speak for myself, I will find it hard to be fair simply because I have a view on what Forster can, and cannot, do. It will take an unreasonable succession of performances where he displays agility and the same level of distribution as Vic to convince me otherwise - I know, unfair because he is Fraser Forster and not Vic. I very, very much hope for the best, but in order to ride this out, we are going to need to score a minimum of three goals a game. In truth, that is not especially different I suppose...yeah, cannot help myself, I have an unfair bias!
 
thfcsteff said:
Sadly it's going to be what it is. And I'll speak for myself, I will find it hard to be fair simply because I have a view on what Forster can, and cannot, do. It will take an unreasonable succession of performances where he displays agility and the same level of distribution as Vic to convince me otherwise - I know, unfair because he is Fraser Forster and not Vic. I very, very much hope for the best, but in order to ride this out, we are going to need to score a minimum of three goals a game. In truth, that is not especially different I suppose...yeah, cannot help myself, I have an unfair bias!
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I don't know but how many times has Forster let in 2 or more goals. Forster biggest problem is every goal he let's in is saveable in the minds of our fans. A second choice keeper is always going to be inferior to the first choice, if we want a reserve of similar standard as the first choice we will need to find someone who is prepared to sit on their arse for at least 30 games a season and pay a fairly high price for the privilege. So all we need in the next 2 windows are cover for keeper, fullback, left sided centreback, centreforward and a couple of starters, not a problem.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I don't know but how many times has Forster let in 2 or more goals. Forster biggest problem is every goal he let's in is saveable in the minds of our fans. A second choice keeper is always going to be inferior to the first choice, if we want a reserve of similar standard as the first choice we will need to find someone who is prepared to sit on their arse for at least 30 games a season and pay a fairly high price for the privilege. So all we need in the next 2 windows are cover for keeper, fullback, left sided centreback, centreforward and a couple of starters, not a problem.
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I'm not so sure it's quite as matter of fact as this - How much did City and Liverpool pay for their respective backups, Ortega and Kelleher? There's not much a drop off when either of the above play.

The ideal reserve keeper to me, is someone who can develop into being a player capable of usurping the number 1. It's a fairly unambitious stance to just having an old timer in that doesn't suit the game plan and just to hope numero uno doesn't get injured. As Steff eloquently puts it, it is what it is, thus it's not what it isn't, nor would it have ever been what it hadn't become. It's a bit of a bricky predictable situation that when it costs us we can all cry woe is us, who could've possibly seen this coming.

I don't buy Ange's statements in the press conference but only time will tell.
 
spurspinter1 said:
I'm not so sure it's quite as matter of fact as this - How much did City and Liverpool pay for their respective backups, Ortega and Kelleher? There's not much a drop off when either of the above play.

The ideal reserve keeper to me, is someone who can develop into being a player capable of usurping the number 1. It's a fairly unambitious stance to just having an old timer in that doesn't suit the game plan and just to hope numero uno doesn't get injured. As Steff eloquently puts it, it is what it is, thus it's not what it isn't, nor would it have ever been what it hadn't become. It's a bit of a bricky predictable situation that when it costs us we can all cry woe is us, who could've possibly seen this coming.

I don't buy Ange's statements in the press conference but only time will tell.
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I agree that's the ideal. But it's a difficult thing to get right. Will a talented enough goalkeeper want to have that role instead of regular game time elsewhere. Depends too on the quality and age of the first choice keeper.

Then of course the financial aspect. And for us, home grown status matters too.

We have been signing some younger keepers that could fill that role in time, I think that's good. But that too is difficult to get right. Worth trying though.

An old timer is fine, and depending on the situation may be the best realistic solution.

If Forster will seem as a good enough old timer over the next weeks/months is a different question though.
 
spurspinter1 said:
I'm not so sure it's quite as matter of fact as this - How much did City and Liverpool pay for their respective backups, Ortega and Kelleher? There's not much a drop off when either of the above play.

The ideal reserve keeper to me, is someone who can develop into being a player capable of usurping the number 1. It's a fairly unambitious stance to just having an old timer in that doesn't suit the game plan and just to hope numero uno doesn't get injured. As Steff eloquently puts it, it is what it is, thus it's not what it isn't, nor would it have ever been what it hadn't become. It's a bit of a bricky predictable situation that when it costs us we can all cry woe is us, who could've possibly seen this coming.

I don't buy Ange's statements in the press conference but only time will tell.
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Don't really disagree, but can you find any examples in terms of clubs who aren't in the CL with such keepers? Because City and Liverpool practically guarantee CL football where their keeper can be rotated in for a few lesser games in that, or if they underachieve and in the Europa League likely first choice for that. Plus they constantly go deep in the other cups where the backup keeper is often used.

We can't offer such guarantees right now - not saying we shouldn't aim for that standard, but I'm pretty sure if it was that attainable we would be doing it, our scouting/recruitment is pretty good these days....
 
braineclipse said:
I agree that's the ideal. But it's a difficult thing to get right. Will a talented enough goalkeeper want to have that role instead of regular game time elsewhere. Depends too on the quality and age of the first choice keeper.

Then of course the financial aspect. And for us, home grown status matters too.

We have been signing some younger keepers that could fill that role in time, I think that's good. But that too is difficult to get right. Worth trying though.

An old timer is fine, and depending on the situation may be the best realistic solution.

If Forster will seem as a good enough old timer over the next weeks/months is a different question though.
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It can't be that difficult we have lots of people on here who know exactly who to buy, I don't watch much football other than Spurs and even then you see what the camera shows (ball watching) and don't get the same view of the game you get at a match, I have little idea how non Spurs players are performing around the world and don't believe you can make judgements on players based on 5-10 mins on MotD or anything on YouTube.
 
spurspinter1 said:
I'm not so sure it's quite as matter of fact as this - How much did City and Liverpool pay for their respective backups, Ortega and Kelleher? There's not much a drop off when either of the above play.

The ideal reserve keeper to me, is someone who can develop into being a player capable of usurping the number 1. It's a fairly unambitious stance to just having an old timer in that doesn't suit the game plan and just to hope numero uno doesn't get injured. As Steff eloquently puts it, it is what it is, thus it's not what it isn't, nor would it have ever been what it hadn't become. It's a bit of a bricky predictable situation that when it costs us we can all cry woe is us, who could've possibly seen this coming.

I don't buy Ange's statements in the press conference but only time will tell.
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Do we have the same appeal as City and Liverpool? I bet for every team you name with an adequate stand-in there are dozens with fans who think their No 2 keeper is rubbish.

I thought you were like me and totally disregarded PR stunts for the gullible and media.
 
The keeper debate is always interesting. When you have 2 number ones like Arsenal did then you just get short term backup. There was no way Ramsdale was going to sit on their bench behind Raya for more than a season. Then you get the situation Liverpool found themselves with Karius. They built him up to be some special keeper and he failed in the ultimate test. He now sits as Saudi Sportswashing Machine's 2nd or 3rd choice, depending on who you believe, and Kelleher took up the reins.

What I'd like to see is Keeley and Gunter really step up. At the age they're at now we could have one on loan and one in the first team squad and then change places. We did that with Whiteman and Austin but it seems they haven't really make the grade. Doesn't mean our new two won't. I guess that means that we'd still need an older homegrown keeper into the mix to replace Forster. Can't really think of any though.
 
Fraser Forster was excellent today.
Lots of good shot stopping, spreading himself like an iron giant with frying pan hands.
Also flung himself into danger to stop the onrushing Jiminez.
Also flung himself high to tip Iwobi's shot onto the bar.
Also flung himself right to push a shot around the post.
Also claimed lots of corners.
Very good.
 
Muttley said:
The keeper debate is always interesting. When you have 2 number ones like Arsenal did then you just get short term backup. There was no way Ramsdale was going to sit on their bench behind Raya for more than a season. Then you get the situation Liverpool found themselves with Karius. They built him up to be some special keeper and he failed in the ultimate test. He now sits as Saudi Sportswashing Machine's 2nd or 3rd choice, depending on who you believe, and Kelleher took up the reins.

What I'd like to see is Keeley and Gunter really step up. At the age they're at now we could have one on loan and one in the first team squad and then change places. We did that with Whiteman and Austin but it seems they haven't really make the grade. Doesn't mean our new two won't. I guess that means that we'd still need an older homegrown keeper into the mix to replace Forster. Can't really think of any though.
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Karius is unattached
 
Bullet said:
Fraser Forster was excellent today.
Lots of good shot stopping, spreading himself like an iron giant with frying pan hands.
Also flung himself into danger to stop the onrushing Jiminez.
Also flung himself high to tip Iwobi's shot onto the bar.
Also flung himself right to push a shot around the post.
Also claimed lots of corners.
Very good.
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Yep
Wasn’t an issue
Strange that but I’d guess he used his experience to do his job as good as he can
 
He did very well. If this is what we can expect from him, I'm not really worried about the keeper situation.
 
harr1984 said:
Don't really disagree, but can you find any examples in terms of clubs who aren't in the CL with such keepers? Because City and Liverpool practically guarantee CL football where their keeper can be rotated in for a few lesser games in that, or if they underachieve and in the Europa League likely first choice for that. Plus they constantly go deep in the other cups where the backup keeper is often used.

We can't offer such guarantees right now - not saying we shouldn't aim for that standard, but I'm pretty sure if it was that attainable we would be doing it, our scouting/recruitment is pretty good these days....
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I don't follow football enough out of Spurs to have an eye on other club's backups tbh. As brain says it's not easy to figure out a situation where there isn't a drop off, but my point was that it's not impossible, and the cases where it has happened isn't by spending big.

It's a fair point on the almost guaranteed nature of Liverpool and City, but that status is because of depths of the squad, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation...

The scouting set up is doing well in identifying young players that won't elevate us to where we want to be from the looks of it - But perhaps I'm being a bit moody after just glancing at the score after not being able to watch the game!
 
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