Ange has already said he won't be signing another keeper in Jan and that's what having a squad is all about. I'm sure some will claim he's just saying that, but Ange isn't the type to say something he doesn't mean....
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Fraser Forster
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Terry Yorath
Could it be where another country's season has finished? We've seen a few MLS players head in this direction and be ready for Jan 1st.
Know any?
Ange has been speaking to the press:
You're confident that Fraser Forster can step up?
That’s why he’s here. He’s already played in the Carabao Cup and a couple of European games. That’s the reason we’ve played him and why he’s in the squad. He’s ready to go.
Will you look to sign a free agent goalkeeper?
That's not going to happen. That's why we've got a squad of players here. I don't think us signing a free agent now is going to help us. If I hadn't named Fraser in the Europa squad, then jeez that would've been a radical decision, and you're left with two, again they wouldn't be able to play in Europe, then you kind of look at it. Unless something else happened, that's why we've got four goalkeepers. There's young Luca but to be fair he's been injured so he's not really ready. Fraser I've known for a long time and he's such a strong character within the group and ready to play. Brandon's improving all the time and Alfie's been at the club for a while. Whenever they've been asked, in terms of the training capacity they bring, we're happy with what we've got.
Does the goalkeeper situation change anything in the January transfer window?
Not again. Not from what's happened now. We've got an injury, and I think any club that gets a significant injury in their goalkeeper kind of assesses where they're at. It's not just another injury, but at the same time, like I said, it is just one injury. We've been dealing with setbacks for a while. There's a lot of work.
We talk about depleted squads. We had two school boys on the bench at the weekend. We've been very shallow for quite a while but because I don't come up here and highlight it every week, it doesn't dismiss the fact that we've kind of learned to deal with these things, and this is another challenge for us.
January, we're always working towards the next window of what the best scenario is for us, and a lot of that will depend on where we're at from the squad perspective and the game's perspective. Just this injury doesn't change any plans for January.
Joe Hart has been speaking about you recently, can you do the same now with Fraser Forster, teaching older goalkeepers to play with their feet?
Here we go with the ages again mate, he's a big guy Fraser. I think there is a misconception around that. I do want to play out from the back but don't need my goalkeepers to be Maldini or Platini. In fact, the simpler they can keep it the better for me. I keep saying to the players, don't pass it to the goalkeepers, they've got the gloves on, they're the goalkeepers and you're the player.
The thing is setting it up so we give really simple solutions to our goalkeepers. It's not about their technical ability because i you look at the way we play out from the back, and Joe's a great example of that when he came to Celtic, it's about them executing really simple passes that they do every day. They're actually quite good at it, goalkeepers. All goalkeepers. It's more about mindset.
It's more about them not thinking that what they're doing is risky, because that's what it comes down. It's not a skill. I'm not asking them to pin 50 yarders. In fact, it's harder when goalkeepers go long. It's actually a harder skill for them to do. So I'm asking them to do short passes that they're capable of.
It's more, like I said, the mindset of it. Just showing them that there's no risk here. Don't worry about the risk. The setup is there for you to execute. And I found that with Joe and other keepers I've had in the past where it was, 'oh, he can't play out from the back', and of course he can. He's a goalkeeper, he can pass the ball, that's what they do. It's just about having a structure which allows them to do it in the cleanest possible process. And changing their mindset.
The only barrier to that is if the goalkeeper doesn't feel comfortable doing it. Not because they can't. Joe was brilliant at Celtic, he embraced it all in, and Fraser's the same.
It's not like Burchy is going to start working with him this week. He's been doing it for 18 months. That's all we do at training. They get included in some of our passing drills, some of our possession drills. They're in there, so they're doing it. So that's where I sit with that.
Pep Guardiola didn't believe Joe could play with his feet how he wanted yet he did it under you?
It depends on what you mean by that. Every coach has a different version of that. I'm just talking about me, and the way we play. I don't want my goalkeeper to think that he's got to hit defence-splitting passes.
That's not what it's about. It's about, I want control of the game so when it's a stoppage or a goal kick, we have control of the ball at that time. I don't want to put that in dispute by just going along. So we want to play out. But playing out is just one bit. It's what's ahead of that to make it as simple a process as possible.
You're confident that Fraser Forster can step up?
That’s why he’s here. He’s already played in the Carabao Cup and a couple of European games. That’s the reason we’ve played him and why he’s in the squad. He’s ready to go.
Will you look to sign a free agent goalkeeper?
That's not going to happen. That's why we've got a squad of players here. I don't think us signing a free agent now is going to help us. If I hadn't named Fraser in the Europa squad, then jeez that would've been a radical decision, and you're left with two, again they wouldn't be able to play in Europe, then you kind of look at it. Unless something else happened, that's why we've got four goalkeepers. There's young Luca but to be fair he's been injured so he's not really ready. Fraser I've known for a long time and he's such a strong character within the group and ready to play. Brandon's improving all the time and Alfie's been at the club for a while. Whenever they've been asked, in terms of the training capacity they bring, we're happy with what we've got.
Does the goalkeeper situation change anything in the January transfer window?
Not again. Not from what's happened now. We've got an injury, and I think any club that gets a significant injury in their goalkeeper kind of assesses where they're at. It's not just another injury, but at the same time, like I said, it is just one injury. We've been dealing with setbacks for a while. There's a lot of work.
We talk about depleted squads. We had two school boys on the bench at the weekend. We've been very shallow for quite a while but because I don't come up here and highlight it every week, it doesn't dismiss the fact that we've kind of learned to deal with these things, and this is another challenge for us.
January, we're always working towards the next window of what the best scenario is for us, and a lot of that will depend on where we're at from the squad perspective and the game's perspective. Just this injury doesn't change any plans for January.
Joe Hart has been speaking about you recently, can you do the same now with Fraser Forster, teaching older goalkeepers to play with their feet?
Here we go with the ages again mate, he's a big guy Fraser. I think there is a misconception around that. I do want to play out from the back but don't need my goalkeepers to be Maldini or Platini. In fact, the simpler they can keep it the better for me. I keep saying to the players, don't pass it to the goalkeepers, they've got the gloves on, they're the goalkeepers and you're the player.
The thing is setting it up so we give really simple solutions to our goalkeepers. It's not about their technical ability because i you look at the way we play out from the back, and Joe's a great example of that when he came to Celtic, it's about them executing really simple passes that they do every day. They're actually quite good at it, goalkeepers. All goalkeepers. It's more about mindset.
It's more about them not thinking that what they're doing is risky, because that's what it comes down. It's not a skill. I'm not asking them to pin 50 yarders. In fact, it's harder when goalkeepers go long. It's actually a harder skill for them to do. So I'm asking them to do short passes that they're capable of.
It's more, like I said, the mindset of it. Just showing them that there's no risk here. Don't worry about the risk. The setup is there for you to execute. And I found that with Joe and other keepers I've had in the past where it was, 'oh, he can't play out from the back', and of course he can. He's a goalkeeper, he can pass the ball, that's what they do. It's just about having a structure which allows them to do it in the cleanest possible process. And changing their mindset.
The only barrier to that is if the goalkeeper doesn't feel comfortable doing it. Not because they can't. Joe was brilliant at Celtic, he embraced it all in, and Fraser's the same.
It's not like Burchy is going to start working with him this week. He's been doing it for 18 months. That's all we do at training. They get included in some of our passing drills, some of our possession drills. They're in there, so they're doing it. So that's where I sit with that.
Pep Guardiola didn't believe Joe could play with his feet how he wanted yet he did it under you?
It depends on what you mean by that. Every coach has a different version of that. I'm just talking about me, and the way we play. I don't want my goalkeeper to think that he's got to hit defence-splitting passes.
That's not what it's about. It's about, I want control of the game so when it's a stoppage or a goal kick, we have control of the ball at that time. I don't want to put that in dispute by just going along. So we want to play out. But playing out is just one bit. It's what's ahead of that to make it as simple a process as possible.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
That's a crap PC for media, I can't see a headline in any of those responses, there was just too much clear thinking in his answers and much will have gone over their heads.
It wouldn't be a good idea regarding man management to publicly let the man you're counting on know that you're going to replace him at the earliest opportunity tbf Not saying we will be looking to sign a GK, but you can't always take comments at face value.
He says we won't be signing a free agent but regarding the Jan window he didn't explicitly say we wouldn't be signing a gk.
He says we won't be signing a free agent but regarding the Jan window he didn't explicitly say we wouldn't be signing a gk.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Thanks Ange, I can sleep well tonight.
Yeah, it's not going to happen. That's why we've got a squad of players. I don't think us signing a free agent now helps us. Me naming Fraser in the Europa League squad really looks like a radical decision now doesn't it?” he said.
When asked about a January deal, he was similarly firm.
“We will not sign a new goalkeeper in January. We trust Fraser Forster,” he said.
Sounds pretty emphatic to me, but what do I know....
Where are those quotes from? They aren't in the transcript Jord posted above.
Yes, pretty cut and dry if that's what was said!
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Absolutely.
But somewhat perversely, he'll also stop the big problem from corners of the ball on Vics head
It'll be worth keeping an eye on - does Vic bring the defence down or vice versa
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
I'd be a little surprised if don't explore one of the frees. Navas or Karius for Europe or if FF gets injured. Unless we think Austin is up to it.
We should also look to mitigate against Vic's recovery not going as planned.
Can't remember now the actual website page I quoted yesterday, but I see Romano has also quoted it from same interview:
I'd be surprised but Ange seems pretty clear that he's not interested. Like @billyiddo says obviously a manager could just be saying this but in Anges case he seems a no flimflam type of guy who you can take at face value and if he is saying clearly we aren't in for a keeper then we aren't.
That being said, of course things can change and if Foster doesn't do the business then we will be in the market. Let's see though, if Foster performs like he did vs a Galatasary then we might be ok.....
Kinda looks like that post from Romano is paraphrasing from the interview Ange gave
Guess we'll find out in a couple of months
Well I hope that's the case and something has been lost in translation as I think ideally we needed another keeper regardless of Vics injury. Not long to find out....Kinda looks like that post from Romano is paraphrasing from the interview Ange gave
Guess we'll find out in a couple of months
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think signing or not signing a new goalkeeper will depend on how well Forster does and how long it will seem that Vicario is out for when the transfer window approaches.
There are definitely different scenarios where both signing a new goalkeeper and not doing so will seem like the best option imo.
There are definitely different scenarios where both signing a new goalkeeper and not doing so will seem like the best option imo.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I expect we were looking at options for a medium term #2 this next window anyway, so don't expect that to change - i.e. we may get one, but wont switch to a short-term #1 instead.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
It's a good reflex save. But a save you'd expect any PL or Championship GK to make.
If that goes in, the GK gets criticism.
If that goes in, the GK gets criticism.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I agree. But if we get decent PL level performances from Forster consistently that would be quite good imo.
Thought he did well yesterday.
