• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Elon Musk buys twitter

I can (at least partly) get not liking calls for stuff to be banned. I can definitely respect others wanting that like drawn differently to what I prefer. It's a really difficult problem.

Not sure about social media and overprotective parenting. Was the same the reason for reactions to the life of Brian for example?

I agree about social media, but not sure if we see the mechanisms similarly. Social media, the attention driven economy magnifies and pays for content that is easy to produce. Debunking a false claim can take hours, making it takes seconds.

We live at a time when someone entirely without editorial oversight can reach millions. There's a lot of stuff being produced that would never reach air/print some decades back. And if it had been, the calls for it to be banned would have been immediate and massive.

If a reputable journalistic institution that publishes misinformation there's an editor, there's a process. Someone like Rogan, yeah, you can complain to him, but will he listen? Will he do anything? If you have the influence to get on his show you get to express yourself, but does he change his approach even then?

The calls for someone to be deplatformed is (imo) at least partly a result of there not being many other avenues to have any impactful complaints expressed.

Just to be clear, this spread of disinformation with little to no editorial oversight isn't a new phenomenon, but the volume and reach of it has expanded exponentially.

Personally I think it's a massive problem. And one that increases the magnitude of many other problems. If there's a way to engage and create change on this that hasn't been tried other than calls for deplatforming I haven't heard of them.

Meanwhile real people, and loads of them, are hurt in real significant ways or even die in part because of this disinformation. It causes more polarisation, and division. Sure it would be good if most people were better at getting their information from trustworthy sources. To me the spread of disinformation only makes this too worse. People are actively being encouraged not to listen to more reputable sources. The answer cannot be that people should be smarter about these things, because we're nowhere near making that happen.

(Last paragraph not about Rogan directly, but more in general and in part back to twitter).

On Rogan. He makes a lot of money from his show. He gets to spread the ideas he wants to spread wide and far. Doesn't he have some responsibility to fact check his guests and himself?

He's very good at the letting people make their points and conversation part of interviewing. He's not very good at fact checking, he's not very good at knowing enough about the issue at hand to present at least some balance. He's not very good at asking critical questions (unless he personally disagrees). For me he's not a brilliant interviewer. He's really good at having conversations though.

Listening to him you get a very good idea about what the guest thinks. That's good. But unless you already know enough about the subject to know when the guest is wrong you'll often be none the wiser if the guest spreads false information. So listening to him may give you more truth, may give you the opposite. That's not good interviewing for me.

If I listen to an interview and the subject says something that's wrong or controversial presented as fact I want to get that information. Without having to know it myself from before. To me that's a vital part of interviewing.

I’ve read account of psychologists and university professors who blame parents for being overprotective, not letting their kids play outside because they are uncomfortable with any risk whatsoever when it comes to their kids. As a result, a lot of them have grown up completely risk adverse, so their way of dealing with speech they don’t like is to call for censoring or banning.

Re Rogan, you do make some valid points and I do agree he should do more to push back against some of the claims his guests make on his show. The problem with misinformation I have is who decides what is misinformation and what isn’t? For example, we used to think that the covid vaccine stopped you from passing on the virus. We now know that isn’t true, it does an important job in reducing the risk of severe illness and death but it doesn’t stop the spread. That’s no one’s fault, but science constantly changes, there isn’t always a uniform opinion in the world of science. We still don’t know how the virus got out in the first place. Most thought it came from a wet market, it was considered racist to claim it came from a lab.
 
What about white people or black people saying it?

No offence but I think it's the intent in which you its labels ...

For example if you said the homosexuals are having a parade for pride vs the fudging homosexuals are having a parade for pride ...

Also don't understand why is ok to put on an Italian accent or French accent but as soon as you do an Indian one its met with silence ...

I'm from Indian heritage by the way

I think you are probably right. Intent matters. I’m always railing against PC because I think it alienates people but I do definitely accept that certain words just shouldn’t be used, the N word being the obvious example. I’ve just never felt comfortable using the “brown” to describe Asian people. I’m probably just overthinking it because I’d only ever use the term to describe them as opposed to anything else.
 
I’ve read account of psychologists and university professors who blame parents for being overprotective, not letting their kids play outside because they are uncomfortable with any risk whatsoever when it comes to their kids. As a result, a lot of them have grown up completely risk adverse, so their way of dealing with speech they don’t like is to call for censoring or banning.

Re Rogan, you do make some valid points and I do agree he should do more to push back against some of the claims his guests make on his show. The problem with misinformation I have is who decides what is misinformation and what isn’t? For example, we used to think that the covid vaccine stopped you from passing on the virus. We now know that isn’t true, it does an important job in reducing the risk of severe illness and death but it doesn’t stop the spread. That’s no one’s fault, but science constantly changes, there isn’t always a uniform opinion in the world of science. We still don’t know how the virus got out in the first place. Most thought it came from a wet market, it was considered racist to claim it came from a lab.

I've seen those claims too. To some extent I agree, but I'm not always convinced be the claims about what is overprotective and wear the effects are. I'm not sure that leads to more censorship or banning either. Could be, but difficult to know. What I do know is that in the past where there has been way less overprotective parenting there's been a lot of censorship and banning.

There's certainly no one authority on what's misinformation or not. I choose to trust the consensus/overall view of the scientific community (and relevant experts) on any given issue if that's available. That will be wrong at times, it will change and nuance at times, but those opinions have the highest likelihood of being right imo.

If someone presents information that's clearly different to that consensus view that's fine and should be allowed of course. But for me to take someone seriously they'll have to at least pay some attention to what that consensus is if what's being presented is in stark contrast to the consensus.

If there isn't a real scientific consensus on an issue I want that to be made clear too. Someone may make a very convincing argument for one side, be a great presenter and narrator. That's fine, but if they and whoever they're being platformed by ignores that what's being presented as fact is actually controversial I struggle to take them seriously.

All this when stuff is being presented to a big audience, given a real platform. What happens in actual scientific debate for example is a different issue imo. Rogan, for me, is a serial offender on this. And as a result I struggle to take him seriously and I don't trust him to present me with information.

To bring this into our previous topic. Both psychologists and university professors have made those claims. Are they actually backed by scientific consensus though? I don't know, but I would like to know before I really put trust in those claims. A title like that in no way guarantees that people are right. I've read some right nonsense from people with both titles.
 
Last edited:
bloke is a proper right wing conspiracy theorist. Nuts he's been allowed to just buy Twitter and spread such stuff.

Been a lot of attacks on members of the scientific community, this anti-science approach is dangerous.
 
Hey. Look, someone is trying to make a new social media platform and just push the moderation sliter all the way to "anything legal goes". That doesn't seem to be a good idea at all. What if I just bought twitter and did the same thing there? Surely that's good for civilization.
 
Hey. Look, someone is trying to make a new social media platform and just push the moderation sliter all the way to "anything legal goes". That doesn't seem to be a good idea at all. What if I just bought twitter and did the same thing there? Surely that's good for civilization.

Some parts of the US it's legal to marry children at the age of 13. Just because it's Legal, doesn't make it right.
 
bloke is a proper right wing conspiracy theorist. Nuts he's been allowed to just buy Twitter and spread such stuff.

Been a lot of attacks on members of the scientific community, this anti-science approach is dangerous.

Bit like Trump in that there always seems to be a tweet from him that contradicts the latest brick he's coming out with.

Reading today that the change from 280 characters to 4000 per tweet is coming soon, that may well kill it off I reckon.
 
Elon has a trans daughter who wants nothing to do with him now. I wonder is this at least part of the reason why he is mocking pronouns. It has to be connected.

I guess 280 characters are not enough for his hate-filled posts anymore.
 
I wouldn’t be sorry to see the back of Twitter. I use it, but it’s horrible for political discourse. You can tweet something perfectly innocent like “good morning” and you’ll probably be greeted with comments like “yeah I bet it is with your white male privilege”. Anyone in the public eye is susceptible to some SJW trawling back to tweets to posted when they were children and getting resurfacing it to get them in trouble. Seems to be nothing but trouble for famous people but they can’t help but use it to promote themselves. I used it for news and funny brick but that’s about it. Footballers get abused in there for missing penalties. I don’t see many upsides to the platform. It’s just made the gap between liberals and conservatives even wider than it already was and made things more polarised.
 
I wouldn’t be sorry to see the back of Twitter. I use it, but it’s horrible for political discourse. You can tweet something perfectly innocent like “good morning” and you’ll probably be greeted with comments like “yeah I bet it is with your white male privilege”. Anyone in the public eye is susceptible to some SJW trawling back to tweets to posted when they were children and getting resurfacing it to get them in trouble. Seems to be nothing but trouble for famous people but they can’t help but use it to promote themselves. I used it for news and funny brick but that’s about it. Footballers get abused in there for missing penalties. I don’t see many upsides to the platform. It’s just made the gap between liberals and conservatives even wider than it already was and made things more polarised.

roughly agree. Twitter has led to echo chambers in the left and right, and led to poor quality political discussions in the centre ground.
 
Elon has a trans daughter who wants nothing to do with him now. I wonder is this at least part of the reason why he is mocking pronouns. It has to be connected.

I guess 280 characters are not enough for his hate-filled posts anymore.

His daughter and I think Grimes left him for Chelsea Manning too?
 
His daughter and I think Grimes left him for Chelsea Manning too?
That move by Grimes will bug the brick out of him. But hopefully not as much as being roundly booed at that Dave Chapelle show yesterday. That'll get under his pale narcissist's skin like nothing else, but 'free speech'.
 
That move by Grimes will bug the brick out of him. But hopefully not as much as being roundly booed at that Dave Chapelle show yesterday. That'll get under his pale narcissist's skin like nothing else, but 'free speech'.

It looks like he’s gone full conservative and San Francisco (where the gig was) is one of the wokest cities on Earth so it’s very expected for him to be booed there. He’d probably get a standing ovation in places like Texas and Alabama. Must admit I am getting a bit sick of his recent antics even though I do agree in principle about making the platform more free speechy but he’s just trying to wind people up now.
 
It looks like he’s gone full conservative and San Francisco (where the gig was) is one of the wokest cities on Earth so it’s very expected for him to be booed there. He’d probably get a standing ovation in places like Texas and Alabama. Must admit I am getting a bit sick of his recent antics even though I do agree in principle about making the platform more free speechy but he’s just trying to wind people up now.
He's gone full something and it ain't conservative.
 
It looks like he’s gone full conservative and San Francisco (where the gig was) is one of the wokest cities on Earth so it’s very expected for him to be booed there. He’d probably get a standing ovation in places like Texas and Alabama. Must admit I am getting a bit sick of his recent antics even though I do agree in principle about making the platform more free speechy but he’s just trying to wind people up now.

Making the platform more free speechy is directly making room for more extreme wind ups too.

Bit original for the owner to be doing it. But being able to say what he wanted was probably part of what he wanted in the first place.

He's gone full something and it ain't conservative.

How would you describe it?

Full... what exactly?
 
Making the platform more free speechy is directly making room for more extreme wind ups too.

Bit original for the owner to be doing it. But being able to say what he wanted was probably part of what he wanted in the first place.



How would you describe it?

Full... what exactly?
He is in the alt-right pipeline now.
 
Back