Elon Musk buys twitter

[ricky2tricky4city]

Elon has a trans daughter who wants nothing to do with him now. I wonder is this at least part of the reason why he is mocking pronouns. It has to be connected.

I guess 280 characters are not enough for his hate-filled posts anymore.

He'll probably monetise the character limits

 

[Rorschach]

He'll probably monetise the character limits

Well monetising the blue check mark hasn't worked and advertisers are leaving in their droves so I guess he has to try something new. Maybe all his brick posting is an attempt to up engagement/clicks, but the end of this journey is just Truth Social 2.0, another rightwing toxic sludge pit occupied only by rightwing toxic sludge...er...pitters.

If the extra characters replace the long thread format of posting on twitter, which is quite cumbersome now, then that might work but they need to leave the original/1st tweet in short form because no-one will bother scrolling past thousand-word diatribes for every post. That model won't work.

 

[braineclipse]

Well monetising the blue check mark hasn't worked and advertisers are leaving in their droves so I guess he has to try something new. Maybe all his brick posting is an attempt to up engagement/clicks, but the end of this journey is just Truth Social 2.0, another rightwing toxic sludge pit occupied only by rightwing toxic sludge...er...pitters.

If the extra characters replace the long thread format of posting on twitter, which is quite cumbersome now, then that might work but they need to leave the original/1st tweet in short form because no-one will bother scrolling past thousand-word diatribes for every post. That model won't work.

The existing good content on twitter may save twitter from becoming a truth social/parler/whatever place. Not holding my breath for that with Muskface seemingly hell bent on amplifying the nonsense.

There are ideas there that could be good if implemented right as you suggest. If that will be enough to prevent it becoming too truth too social is difficult to know.

Depends in part on how long Elonious feels the need to run the show and put his personal mark on the thing I think.

 

[Rorschach]

The existing good content on twitter may save twitter from becoming a truth social/parler/whatever place. Not holding my breath for that with Muskface seemingly hell bent on amplifying the nonsense.

There are ideas there that could be good if implemented right as you suggest. If that will be enough to prevent it becoming too truth too social is difficult to know.

Depends in part on how long Elonious feels the need to run the show and put his personal mark on the thing I think.

There is a point where the good content, of which there is still plenty, will get drowned out by unmoderated content. This is happening now more or less but the worst of it can be avoided if you block and stay away from the replies, which I tend to do anyway.

However, a few folks that I follow have already abandoned ship to mastodon or post.news and if this trend continues a tipping point will be reached and the thing will collapse in on itself. And I don't actually follow a whole bunch of people, maybe 30/40, so if this is indicative of a wider trend then the rot has set in. What Musk's motivations are, maybe money, or how much his malignant narcissism has taken over his decision making is not clear but the end result of the current trajectory for Twitter will be the same.

 

[braineclipse]

There is a point where the good content, of which there is still plenty, will get drowned out by unmoderated content. This is happening now more or less but the worst of it can be avoided if you block and stay away from the replies, which I tend to do anyway.

However, a few folks that I follow have already abandoned ship to mastodon or post.news and this trend will continue until a tipping point is reached and the thing will collapse in on itself. And I don't actually follow a whole bunch of people, maybe 30/40, so if this is indicative of a wider trend then the rot has set in. What Musk's motivations are, maybe money, or how much his malignant narcissism has taken over his decision making is not clear but the end result of the current trajectory for Twitter will be the same.

I think most likely you're right. I don't write on twitter, I very rarely read replies. Just follow some people I appreciate and read what they tweet. But even I've seen the rot setting in.

This trajectory ends like you say, just wondering if there can be enough there to change it.

Not a fan of twitter in any way, but it's a useful tool for some purposes. Would be a sad thing to see it collapse into a cesspool. No doubt the effective way twitter spreads things to a large audience will help spread whatever remains if most of what I see as valuable disappears.

His motivations are difficult to know of course. He could really be thinking that he's doing a good thing for humanity and society. It's possible. Probably not much point in speculation.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

If the extra characters replace the long thread format of posting on twitter, which is quite cumbersome now, then that might work but they need to leave the original/1st tweet in short form because no-one will bother scrolling past thousand-word diatribes for every post. That model won't work.

Don't tell him that ffs!

 

[Rorschach]

I think most likely you're right. I don't write on twitter, I very rarely read replies. Just follow some people I appreciate and read what they tweet. But even I've seen the rot setting in.

This trajectory ends like you say, just wondering if there can be enough there to change it.

Not a fan of twitter in any way, but it's a useful tool for some purposes. Would be a sad thing to see it collapse into a cesspool. No doubt the effective way twitter spreads things to a large audience will help spread whatever remains if most of what I see as valuable disappears.

His motivations are difficult to know of course. He could really be thinking that he's doing a good thing for humanity and society. It's possible. Probably not much point in speculation.

He apparently is a disciple of 'longtermism', a philosophy whose tagline sounds reasonable on the face of it but is rather dystopian when you get past the cover. Yes, we certainly do need to take a longer-term view of our existence, a particular failing of the time we are in now, but this particular theory he's adopted is flawed and dangerous. He is not the only libertarian tech bro to end up there either.

 

[Grays_1890]

Blokes strange and I've said before I question his intentions in purchasing the platform as I have said previously BUT I also think there needs to be balance in all this. The previous management did little and seemed to do little about the child porn and sexploitation side of twitter which ranks pretty bad in my book, so the sleeping in the office and getting rid of 75% of the staff slightly pales in terms of comparable performance

 

[Jurgen the German]

Blokes strange and I've said before I question his intentions in purchasing the platform as I have said previously BUT I also think there needs to be balance in all this. The previous management did little and seemed to do little about the child porn and sexploitation side of twitter which ranks pretty bad in my book, so the sleeping in the office and getting rid of 75% of the staff slightly pales in terms of comparable performance

They also did next to nothing to people who threatened JK Rowling. Apparently it’s ok to make death threats as long as you’re doing it in the name of defending trans people.

Someone also said to her “you’re next” after she condemned the stabbing of Salmon Rushdie and once again Twitter did nothing and didn’t find it to violate their rules.

Twitter was hardly a well functioning machine even before Musk made it even worse

 

[Grays_1890]

They also did next to nothing to people who threatened JK Rowling. Apparently it’s ok to make death threats as long as you’re doing it in the name of defending trans people.

Someone also said to her “you’re next” after she condemned the stabbing of Salmon Rushdie and once again Twitter did nothing and didn’t find it to violate their rules.

Twitter was hardly a well functioning machine even before Musk made it even worse

Exactly, I think for balance it's fair to say he is a maniac and weird but the old management were responsible for running a very questionable enterprise when you consider what was being allowed on the platform. Yes they may have banned Trump but that hardly covers the sins of them doing literally nothing about nonces and as you say death threats

 

[spurspinter1]

They also did next to nothing to people who threatened JK Rowling. Apparently it’s ok to make death threats as long as you’re doing it in the name of defending trans people.

Someone also said to her “you’re next” after she condemned the stabbing of Salmon Rushdie and once again Twitter did nothing and didn’t find it to violate their rules.

Twitter was hardly a well functioning machine even before Musk made it even worse

What's to say the death threats weren't by bots to give an easy excuse for the violence + oppression to continue on people who have the audacity to explore and attempt to understand their identity? People are confused by JK Rowling because her fictional world seemed like one of inclusivity, a trigger word for the STRAIGHT WHITE MALES who have it oh so very hard these days, diddums for the hetero honkey ass crackers I day, diddums indeed.

Piers deserves some kind of credit (or eternal damnation but I guess that's slipping in to death threat territory right?), the "normal" folk are ever so worked up about vegan sausage rolls (rather than the more acceptable rotting animal flesh rolls) and the fear of children not living up to grotesque gender stereotypes. It's the "I don't mind gay people, I've got a mate who is a bender, I just don't want it on my tv screen whilst I'm eating dinner" phalanx.

Edit - The swear filter changing "br1gade" in to "phalanx" is pretty nifty, it's made my post look well more eloquent wif gud wurds innit.

 

[braineclipse]

What's to say the death threats weren't by bots to give an easy excuse for the violence + oppression to continue on people who have the audacity to explore and attempt to understand their identity? People are confused by JK Rowling because her fictional world seemed like one of inclusivity, a trigger word for the STRAIGHT WHITE MALES who have it oh so very hard these days, diddums for the hetero honkey ass crackers I day, diddums indeed.

Piers deserves some kind of credit (or eternal damnation but I guess that's slipping in to death threat territory right?), the "normal" folk are ever so worked up about vegan sausage rolls (rather than the more acceptable rotting animal flesh rolls) and the fear of children not living up to grotesque gender stereotypes. It's the "I don't mind gay people, I've got a mate who is a bender, I just don't want it on my tv screen whilst I'm eating dinner" phalanx.

Edit - The swear filter changing "br1gade" in to "phalanx" is pretty nifty, it's made my post look well more eloquent wif gud wurds innit.

Solid post.

Death threats shouldn't be accepted, but I don't get the impression that it's been heavily punished on one side of this and not the other.

Privelege is a thing. But pointing out in a way where it's understandable and something one can integrate if one's not conscious of that privelege is really difficult. Instead it's usually seen as an attack and met with resistance.

 

[spurspinter1]

Solid post.

Death threats shouldn't be accepted, but I don't get the impression that it's been heavily punished on one side of this and not the other.

Privelege is a thing. But pointing out in a way where it's understandable and something one can integrate if one's not conscious of that privelege is really difficult. Instead it's usually seen as an attack and met with resistance.

Anything outside of the norm is an attack on our precious sensibilities, sexuality is conflated with sex so education at schools is viewed as outrageous and easily derided.

It's that difficult notion of which I have been guilty of, where often if something doesn't really affect you you aren't going to make the effort to understand - It makes sense we have a closed off approach and that drag queens / kings on Ru Paul are an affront, same sex partners on strictly are pushing an agenda and people who don't want animals to die unnecessarily are the bad guys. "We've always done things this way, so why should we change it now?", like sexuality, morality, environmental concerns are just petty annoyances the yoofs have invented.

@Jurgen the German 's response will likely reach for the go to "whataboutism" as what is the first word in my post, or as the outright denial of death threats or justification thereof - So just to plug that gap, I don't condone death threats, some on JK Rowling may be typed by a real human being who in my opinion is acting irrationally, that theoretical person needs help however the fruity folk (LGBTQ+) are genuinely getting beaten up or put to death because of who they are. Those defending Qatar's approach human rights wise saying it's "their" (ie the people of Qatar) country seem to often not think there are any gay people from there. Ignorance is bliss until you're legally not allowed to exist.

 

[Jurgen the German]

What's to say the death threats weren't by bots to give an easy excuse for the violence + oppression to continue on people who have the audacity to explore and attempt to understand their identity? People are confused by JK Rowling because her fictional world seemed like one of inclusivity, a trigger word for the STRAIGHT WHITE MALES who have it oh so very hard these days, diddums for the hetero honkey ass crackers I day, diddums indeed.

Piers deserves some kind of credit (or eternal damnation but I guess that's slipping in to death threat territory right?), the "normal" folk are ever so worked up about vegan sausage rolls (rather than the more acceptable rotting animal flesh rolls) and the fear of children not living up to grotesque gender stereotypes. It's the "I don't mind gay people, I've got a mate who is a bender, I just don't want it on my tv screen whilst I'm eating dinner" phalanx.

Edit - The swear filter changing "br1gade" in to "phalanx" is pretty nifty, it's made my post look well more eloquent wif gud wurds innit.

Have to admit, I don’t know what you are talking about with this post or what you’re getting at. The platform clearly had an agenda before Musk took over as evidenced by them doing nothing when someone who doesn’t go along with the trans lobbies views on trans people gets threatened. It’s just now the platform has a different agenda and a lot of the users don’t like it. As Grays said, I won’t defend Musk’s actions recently but let’s stop pretending it was a well oiled machine before he took over. Far to easy to sign up to the platform without any verification and abuse people without consequences whether it’s Marcus Rashford or JK Rowling.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Solid post.

Death threats shouldn't be accepted, but I don't get the impression that it's been heavily punished on one side of this and not the other.


Privelege is a thing. But pointing out in a way where it's understandable and something one can integrate if one's not conscious of that privelege is really difficult. Instead it's usually seen as an attack and met with resistance.

I absolutely think they have punished people more one side of the political spectrum than the other. I cited a recent, high profile example only for the poster to go into some rant about white privilege which I’m not sure how he got there from what I was posting?

 

[spurspinter1]

Have to admit, I don’t know what you are talking about with this post or what you’re getting at. The platform clearly had an agenda before Musk took over as evidenced by them doing nothing when someone who doesn’t go along with the trans lobbies views on trans people gets threatened. It’s just now the platform has a different agenda and a lot of the users don’t like it. As Grays said, I won’t defend Musk’s actions recently but let’s stop pretending it was a well oiled machine before he took over. Far to easy to sign up to the platform without any verification and abuse people without consequences whether it’s Marcus Rashford or JK Rowling.

Oh yeah sure, it's very hard to understand when you are called out but I'm certain you tried your best in good faith

"The platform" is comprised of the posters that contribute, whether it's here (another format of social media) or Twitter. If you have bigotted people and allow them to spout hatred the cycle continues.

Hope you are now more comfortable with the use of the term brown people and the presence of a gay character in a marvel film no longer angers you - It is your responsibility to educate yourself on such matters.

Sincerely yours, a "wokey tofu eating do-gooder"

 

[spurspinter1]

I absolutely think they have punished people more one side of the political spectrum than the other. I cited a recent, high profile example only for the poster to go into some rant about white privilege which I’m not sure how he got there from what I was posting?

The "rant" also eluded to hetero + Cisgender privilege, just kindly letting you know you missed some details, fortunately the words are still there for you to re-read and have specific definitions as per how a language usually works

 

[Jurgen the German]

Oh yeah sure, it's very hard to understand when you are called out but I'm certain you tried your best in good faith

"The platform" is comprised of the posters that contribute, whether it's here (another format of social media) or Twitter. If you have bigotted people and allow them to spout hatred the cycle continues.

Hope you are now more comfortable with the use of the term brown people and the presence of a gay character in a marvel film no longer angers you - It is your responsibility to educate yourself on such matters.

Sincerely yours, a "wokey tofu eating do-gooder"

Im not sure what exactly you are calling me out for? For saying that twitter failed to act when a woman was threatened? I cited a recent example and you went off on some insane rant about privilege because it’s easy to get people on your side when you do that I assume. Not sure where I have denied white privilege is a thing or where I denied that trans people get victimised? It must be grim to live in a world where the rest of us aren’t us progressive or as right about everything as you. Or you could just accept that not everyone sees the world the same as you do and people you disagree with may do good things and but have flaws?

 

[braineclipse]

I absolutely think they have punished people more one side of the political spectrum than the other. I cited a recent, high profile example only for the poster to go into some rant about white privilege which I’m not sure how he got there from what I was posting?

So if someone could show an example or a handful of examples of a death threat against someone who identifies as trans that wasn't punished that would disprove that agenda?

Have you read or heard much about the kind of treatment trans people have gotten on twitter?

I think privelege is relevant to the conversation. It may be that your priveleges means that you've been less exposed to what happens to people without those priveleges. That may lead one to conclude that there's agenda when there isn't one.

 

[Jurgen the German]

So if someone could show an example or a handful of examples of a death threat against someone who identifies as trans that wasn't punished that would disprove that agenda?

Have you read or heard much about the kind of treatment trans people have gotten on twitter?

I think privelege is relevant to the conversation. It may be that your priveleges means that you've been less exposed to what happens to people without those priveleges. That may lead one to conclude that there's agenda when there isn't one.

If there are examples where trans people were subjected to death threats and Twitter did little to act on it then that’s equally wrong and once again, I’m not sure where I ever denied that trans people are victimised? I’m sure it’s even worse for them in real life in certain spaces. I can’t really sympathise as I can’t put myself in their shoes, but I can empathise and my experience, the majority of people think they should have the same rights as straight people do. Or put it another way, LGBT people should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us in heterosexual relationships. But I do think it is also ok to disagree with a trans person. They should be equal to everyone else, but they’re not automatically right just because they are trans. It’s a tricky subject and some of these changes are very new and it will take time for everyone to get on the same page. But once again, I don’t condone any trans person being attacked or threatened in any way and the fact that anyone in any walk of life would be fearful for their safety is just terrible.