Djed Spence

[DeanoAustin]

I think you would be surprised how knowledgable some online posters are on their clubs. They watch every game, every presser, every tactical change, track every injury and build this amazing holistic view in their heads. They obviously don't get to see the "inside club" bit, but they absolutely get exposed to this multi-year view of their club.

Even if you take Ange, he's only been immersed deeply for 18 months. He wouldn't have the same detailed memories of watching the current players like the posters have over the 3-5 year period.

I'm sensing that the AI machine will soon be web crawling and bringing a ton of intelligence back to the top clubs from the web. They will be tapping into the collective intelligence of their fans and figuring out the valuable noise from the non-valuable noise.

F**king hope not. Then all our bullsh!t opinions on here might get exposed.

 

[glorygloryeze]

On Conte’s part it is criminal to have a very highly rated and successful young player join for £20m and never start him in a single fixture.

Have no clue whether it was his singing, a Paratici singing or Levy. But either way given his performances for Forrest and the buzz around him you’d think Conte would feel obligated to start him once.

Massively disrespectful to both Spence and the recruitment staff to let him rot without a look in.

I agree to an extent, but i think it was massively disrespectful to chase him knowing that Conte likes specific types of players for that role and not run the signing by him first BEFORE making the effort to sign him.

Everyone in football knows what Conte is like in that regard, especially how he sets his teams up and how import a WB of high quality is to that way of playing, but of course we thought we'd somehow be able to get away with it, unlike the previous clubs Conte worked at....

 

[Muttley]

Unless they are working around our training ground they aren't knowledgeable about anything to do with players of our club.

As for your point about AI, I shudder at the thought - we are already doing well at making football less and less authentic, we might aswell just be done with footballers and go straight to putting out robots on the pitch....

AI will happen. Some would argue it already is as you often see Twitter comments embedded in press articles.

The biggest part is still what happens on the pitch in the 90 mins. We all get a very similar exposure to that. You don't win or lose 3 points for how you are at the training ground, but that is clearly a very important part. That's my downfall this season. I'm not getting to see so many games so feel less informed.

Also, this is why I get a little annoyed at the press and their inaccuracies. They write their theories to us about our club, but we know more than they do about what they're writing about. They don't do the deep level research we do.

 

[Muttley]

F**king hope not. Then all our bullsh!t opinions on here might get exposed.

So you don't think a site as big as Glory Glory and the associated Pods don't get looked at by the club to get a pulse of the fans? I'd be shocked if it wasn't on the list of places they look.

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FAB will already be monitoring us would be my guess. Don't worry, they know how to apply the right filters

 

[Lemonade Money]

So you don't think a site as big as Glory Glory and the associated Pods don't get looked at by the club to get a pulse of the fans? I'd be shocked if it wasn't on the list of places they look.

Fan Advisory Board

Tottenham Hotspur's Fan Advisory Board provides a new forum for fan group representatives and elected members from different sections of our fanbase, inclusive and reflective of our diversity.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

FAB will already be monitoring us would be my guess. Don't worry, they know how to apply the right filters

Not to mention gutter journos looking for a easy click bait article.

 

[SkipRat]

I find it staggering that you can label him an idiot on anything without a full-scope knowledge of what's going on. You may not LIKE it, but unless you know the backstories, how can you simply label him a 'blithering idiot'?

Like not putting Djed on the EUFA list.

Utterly insane and no excuses for it. Leaving it to 2 mins left on the clock to bring a striker on? WTF is a Lankshear supposed to do in two in mins?

So yes, I can call him a blithering idiot at times, because that is exactly what he is at time.

 

[90291Spur]

Like not putting Djed on the EUFA list.

Utterly insane and no excuses for it. Leaving it to 2 mins left on the clock to bring a striker on? WTF is a Lankshear supposed to do in two in mins?

So yes, I can call him a blithering idiot at times, because that is exactly what he is at time.

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[Kandi1977]

What an impact within a minute!!!
Proper Roy of the Rovers stuff!

Well, let's hope he doesn't go full Roy Race and end up in a car crash, having to amputate a leg.

 

[SteveAWOL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1868687732022599904

 

[Bullet]

Or you can allegedly rush back players like he did our CBs and then get a load crying about it. You can't win as a football manager, armchair managers remain undefeated though....

In recent weeks, Porro can barely run after 60 mins, he is deep into the red at 70 80 90 minutes, yet Spence was sat watching on the bench and didn't come on for 5 or 10 mins at all. Bizarre from Ange, not to use Spence one iota.

 

[metalgear]

In recent weeks, Porro can barely run after 60 mins, he is deep into the red at 70 80 90 minutes, yet Spence was sat watching on the bench and didn't come on for 5 or 10 mins at all. Bizarre from Ange, not to use Spence one iota.

Ange's comments were interesting too - crediting spence for being patient but crediting the coaches to what worked on him to get him ready.

If the coaches are that good they should be fixing maddision's inconsistency, werner's end results and johnson's assertiveness on the pitch too.

 

[SkipRat]

Ange's comments were interesting too - crediting spence for being patient but crediting the coaches to what worked on him to get him ready.

If the coaches are that good they should be fixing maddision's inconsistency, werner's end results and johnson's assertiveness on the pitch too.

Our coaching is awful.

We c can barely string passes together most of the time.

 

[parklane1]

Ange's comments were interesting too - crediting spence for being patient but crediting the coaches to what worked on him to get him ready.

If the coaches are that good they should be fixing maddision's inconsistency, werner's end results and johnson's assertiveness on the pitch too.

Both Maddison and Werner are what they are and have always been that way in the past so i do not expect any difference from them. Johnson is still fairly young so there is hope there for a change.

 

[Raziel]

Both Maddison and Werner are what they are and have always been that way in the past so i do not expect any difference from them. Johnson is still fairly young so there is hope there for a change.

Johnson has changed, his finishing and arrival at far post for tap in has absolutely be an improvement since arrival. 10 goals before mid season is a significant uplift on his game.

Always hard to determine the difference between coaching and player settling into system but Johnson, Dragusin, Sarr (adding goal threat), Deki (in central role), Porro (before his legs went from overplaying) are all easy examples of players who have improved under Ange.

Re Djed, hard to understand from outside but his challenges have never been talent and Ange isn't the only manager who has sidelined him.

 

[parklane1]

Johnson has changed, his finishing and arrival at far post for tap in has absolutely be an improvement since arrival. 10 goals before mid season is a significant uplift on his game.

Always hard to determine the difference between coaching and player settling into system but Johnson, Dragusin, Sarr (adding goal threat), Deki (in central role), Porro (before his legs went from overplaying) are all easy examples of players who have improved under Ange.

Re Djed, hard to understand from outside but his challenges have never been talent and Ange isn't the only manager who has sidelined him.

All good points and i can agree with all of them, as for Djed there have been problems with his attitude in the past and that imo has held him back. Lets hope for his sake and ours he has matured and keeps his head on the game.

 

[braineclipse]

In recent weeks, Porro can barely run after 60 mins, he is deep into the red at 70 80 90 minutes, yet Spence was sat watching on the bench and didn't come on for 5 or 10 mins at all. Bizarre from Ange, not to use Spence one iota.

Bizarre, unless he had reasons to do so unknown to us.

Ange's comments were interesting too - crediting spence for being patient but crediting the coaches to what worked on him to get him ready.

If the coaches are that good they should be fixing maddision's inconsistency, werner's end results and johnson's assertiveness on the pitch too.

That's an exceptionally high bar to set for our coaching.

Maddison has been inconsistent most of his career. Werner has had issues with his finishing for years and years. Yet our coaches should just fix that to be good enough to warrant praise for the work they've done with Spence?

To me just about every club has issues they'd like to fix with some players that they're unable to fix.

 

[braineclipse]

Johnson has changed, his finishing and arrival at far post for tap in has absolutely be an improvement since arrival. 10 goals before mid season is a significant uplift on his game.

Always hard to determine the difference between coaching and player settling into system but Johnson, Dragusin, Sarr (adding goal threat), Deki (in central role), Porro (before his legs went from overplaying) are all easy examples of players who have improved under Ange.

Re Djed, hard to understand from outside but his challenges have never been talent and Ange isn't the only manager who has sidelined him.

I obviously have no idea on the specific situation with Spence. But sometimes I think managers want to see specific things from a player before giving them more trust. Be it tactical, technical or mentality.

Whereas as fans we often want to see a player to see what they can do for us managers have a much better understanding of what a player can do based on what goes on in training. And more understanding of what is required for a player to do well in their system.

If there are repeated strange, baffling or bizarre decisions - or if a manager consistently doesn't pick a type of player (based on age, profile etc) there may very well be issues with how they see the game.

With Ange I see no such consistent issues and thus think he deserves the benefit of the doubt (at the very least) on how he's used Spence.

 

[Muttley]

I obviously have no idea on the specific situation with Spence. But sometimes I think managers want to see specific things from a player before giving them more trust. Be it tactical, technical or mentality.

Whereas as fans we often want to see a player to see what they can do for us managers have a much better understanding of what a player can do based on what goes on in training. And more understanding of what is required for a player to do well in their system.

If there are repeated strange, baffling or bizarre decisions - or if a manager consistently doesn't pick a type of player (based on age, profile etc) there may very well be issues with how they see the game.

With Ange I see no such consistent issues and thus think he deserves the benefit of the doubt (at the very least) on how he's used Spence.

I think what we see with Porro is what we used to talk a lot about with Hojbjerg and Kane. Every week you'd hope that those 2 would be subbed towards the end of games to help them stay out of the red zone and keep them fresher for the next game. Every week, they'd complete the full 95 mins and soldier on. Over time, their performances wained especially with their international commitments. With Kane and Hoj, you could see that Conte was eventually allowing them to play rope-a-dope so they could come more into games in the second half. They were awful for most of the 1st halves for a reasonably long period of the season and a big reason we spent it camped in our own halves.

When you look at Porro, he's finished every game he's started this season. It's also not like Kane and Hoj where they could hold off. Porro goes full throttle from the very first minute and crawls off the pitch at the end.

So you say there is no consistent issue with Ange, but he actually allowed Porro to end up running on fumes and playing way below his normal standards. Then we see how competent Gray and Spence are and you're left wondering how many sub minutes they could have had from day 1 of the season. That is knowing that Ange only uses 5 subs when we win anyway.

For me, this has to change in the second half of the season. We have to protect Porro. I'd like to think we could do the same with Udogie as well.

 

[SteveAWOL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869410020007534707

 

[Lemonade Money]

I think he's looked better than Udogie recently, I'd be starting him in the PL.