Danny Rose

[Maltese Falcon]

Except Rose was pretty average tonight. A couple of last ditch tackles that could just as easily have ended up as pens and some terrible crosses straight at the keeper.

If you thought he was average than you must have been seeing a different game than most of us:
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/10/0...he-tottenham-and-monaco-left-backs-compared/?

Last ditch tackles are part of every defender's book; indeed the ability to do them effectively is what separates the good from the excellent. It is frankly ridiculous, and only a sign of bias, to slate Rose for doing that and doing that effectively. I did not see Davies making a last ditch effort on de Brunye last Saturday because he did not have the pace to keep up with him and the City counter!

And for all Davies' improvement, that is what Rose offers that Davies never will... raw pace and the ability to retreat back effectively if the ball is lost. Having both him and Walker will allow us to stretch the pitch and - with the added insurance of Dier - do so without the problems of last season's vulnerability through the middle.

 

[El Guepardo]

And if last ditch tackles are to be criticised...what the feck was Ledley King doing against Arjen Robben that famous time? Clearly disastrous defending!

 

[SpursNorway]

Danny is getting better and better, very good for us last night. His fitness is clearly improving, and even though Davies has done quite well I would play Rose every day of the week when he reaches full fitness.

 

[Mumorn]

And if last ditch tackles are to be criticised...what the feck was Ledley King doing against Arjen Robben that famous time? Clearly disastrous defending!

it was poor positioning though from every one of our defenders to even allow Robben in that much space.

 

[Jordinho]

And if last ditch tackles are to be criticised...what the feck was Ledley King doing against Arjen Robben that famous time? Clearly disastrous defending!

Far more relevant are all the times he didn't have to make a last ditch tackle.

Having re-watched the match. First tackle yesterday was skill, but he didn't have to wait for the player to get into the box. The whole situation happened because Rose passed to ball straight to an opponent and was left alone vs two Monaco players. Second one was pure luck as he was just stretching for the ball after a rebound from Lloris.

As for his overall play: Going forward he was mostly miss and they put in a lot of crosses from his side.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Such hipster flimflam that a slide tackle is the sign of a weak defender. The game isn't chess, sometimes things get hectic. Also a player could be slide tackling to make up for someone else's poor positioning.

 

[LCLC]

Such hipster hogwash that a slide tackle is the sign of a weak defender. The game isn't chess, sometimes things get hectic. Also a player could be slide tackling to make up for someone else's poor positioning.

Exactly - mopping up for our world class goalkeepers poor handling.

 

[Jordinho]

Exactly - mopping up for our world class goalkeepers poor handling.

Or cleaning up his own mess.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Or cleaning up his own mess.

Or critiquing a player for ultimately doing his job of defending everything

 

[LCLC]

Or cleaning up his own mess.

What mess ?

 

[Jordinho]

What mess ?

The first tackle, when he had just passed the ball straight to an opposition player and ended up 1 v 2. He let the player run inside the box before putting in the tackle.

 

[braineclipse]

Jesus christ. Davies was average last year in a good team. Rose was exceptional in brick team.

Davies has been good last few games and should keep his place for sunday but Rose is a superior full back and there isn't much argument agaisnt that, none if we talk the system that Poch plays. On sat Davies' conservatism suited him and us against a team that came at us on a small pitch but in 75% of games Rose is the better fit for our system.

Rose imo is first choice and will get the chance to prove it when we have a dip


Ps . Age has nothing to do With it, davies isn't gonna gain a yard or become explosive, If rose keeps up his form and progress there is no contest

Davies was very good for a good Swansea side at 19/20... That was significantly younger than when Rose had his good season at Sunderland.

Davies is now at the age Rose was at when he had his loan to Sunderland. I don't see why Davies can't push on from where he is now just like Rose did. He's shown a lot more so far than Rose had at that age. No he's not going to gain that explosive pace, but there are plenty of ways to improve without it. As has been seen with plenty of other full backs around. The only way age doesn't have something to do with it is if you think that pace is the only way to become a very good full back.

 

[LCLC]

Davies was very good for a good Swansea side at 19/20... That was significantly younger than when Rose had his good season at Sunderland.

Davies is now at the age Rose was at when he had his loan to Sunderland. I don't see why Davies can't push on from where he is now just like Rose did. He's shown a lot more so far than Rose had at that age. No he's not going to gain that explosive pace, but there are plenty of ways to improve without it. As has been seen with plenty of other full backs around. The only way age doesn't have something to do with it is if you think that pace is the only way to become a very good full back.

Because he lacks pace, physicality and athleticism - ESP in our system it means he will have limitations. Today he had a decent game but lacks so much in comparison to what could be brought to the table.

Davies is a full back from 10 years ago - the current beasts are people like Coleman, walker, rose, ivanovic (not right now), shaw, bellerin, shlupp (will get a move soon, kolarov, Zabaletta - all of these players (and more) have attributes that davies will never have. Davies is completely underwhelming and a nice bit of competiton - that's it

 

[LCLC]

The first tackle, when he had just passed the ball straight to an opposition player and ended up 1 v 2. He let the player run inside the box before putting in the tackle.

Going by your analysis, davies' man scored their first and he didn't track him. What a brick bit of play right?

 

[LCLC]

Davies was very good for a good Swansea side at 19/20... That was significantly younger than when Rose had his good season at Sunderland.

Davies is now at the age Rose was at when he had his loan to Sunderland. I don't see why Davies can't push on from where he is now just like Rose did. He's shown a lot more so far than Rose had at that age. No he's not going to gain that explosive pace, but there are plenty of ways to improve without it. As has been seen with plenty of other full backs around. The only way age doesn't have something to do with it is if you think that pace is the only way to become a very good full back.

Also players who were amazing at 17 are finished by 24 - hipster stats coming out all of over the shop to 'prove' it. Age is not an excuse in Thai case.Rose getting slagged off by some blogger clam at CM in our reserves shows this. Rose was a class player at 15/16 and impressed rising up in our teams. Didn't he break a record for a transfer fee for a certain age??
Ask any swansea player/fan and Taylor is a much better player than davies - they can't understand why we didn't go for the other one.

 

[braineclipse]

Because he lacks pace, physicality and athleticism - ESP in our system it means he will have limitations. Today he had a decent game but lacks so much in comparison to what could be brought to the table.

Davies is a full back from 10 years ago - the current beasts are people like Coleman, walker, rose, ivanovic (not right now), shaw, bellerin, shlupp (will get a move soon, kolarov, Zabaletta - all of these players (and more) have attributes that davies will never have. Davies is completely underwhelming and a nice bit of competiton - that's it

A lot of those players were not beasts at 22 though. And players like Zabaleta, Ivanovic and Kolarov are not particulary quick. And Davies doesn't lack physicality.

 

[Jordinho]

Going by your analysis, davies' man scored their first and he didn't track him. What a brick bit of play right?

Davies was headed for Gomis as Vertonghen had left him alone and decided to watch the ball instead.

 

[milo]

Also players who were amazing at 17 are finished by 24 - hipster stats coming out all of over the shop to 'prove' it. Age is not an excuse in Thai case.Rose getting slagged off by some blogger clam at CM in our reserves shows this. Rose was a class player at 15/16 and impressed rising up in our teams. Didn't he break a record for a transfer fee for a certain age??
Ask any swansea player/fan and Taylor is a much better player than davies - they can't understand why we didn't go for the other one.

Have you been drinking?

 

[Jordinho]

Also players who were amazing at 17 are finished by 24 - hipster stats coming out all of over the shop to 'prove' it. Age is not an excuse in Thai case.Rose getting slagged off by some blogger clam at CM in our reserves shows this. Rose was a class player at 15/16 and impressed rising up in our teams. Didn't he break a record for a transfer fee for a certain age??
Ask any swansea player/fan and Taylor is a much better player than davies - they can't understand why we didn't go for the other one.

Does every Swansea fan think Taylor is better, never mind MUCH better? No. It's a classic response to a player leaving the club you support. The only reason they were okay with Davies leaving was getting Sigurdsson in return, a player for a position that needed strengthening, and already having an adequate replacement in Taylor. Taylor is four years older, so most likely looked a more accomplished player then.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

I really don't get this at all. Again, I reiterate what we have are two good players. At the moment, one is keeping the other out on form alone. What's the big problem? We genuinely have two good players for one position, with both options being young and offering something different to each other. Is this not something we should be celebrating rather than bigging one up and slagging off the other?