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Daniel Levy - Chairman

scaramanga said:
And managers.

There's a tiny proportion of managers that can win the big stuff. It's hardly surprising that it's not easy to find one.
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I guess thats why the ceo chooses folks like Jose Moureeno and Antonio Conte? That tiny proportion of managers that did win stuff.

How did that work out?

Was it with a trophy or a stinging, public attack on Daniel Levy that he is a useless clam as they left?

Still. They were happy. They got paid off for the price of an Odobert or an N’jie. Cheap when you think about it.
 
I think either would do well with the support that Ange has been given.
Have you watched how Conte has reinvented himself with attacking football after he left us?

I feel Levy is making a bigger mistake now funding inexperienced coaches.


Batspur said:
I guess thats why the ceo chooses folks like Jose Moureeno and Antonio Conte? That tiny proportion of managers that did win stuff.

How did that work out?

Was it with a trophy or a stinging, public attack on Daniel Levy that he is a useless clam as they left?

Still. They were happy. They got paid off for the price of an Odobert or an N’jie. Cheap when you think about it.
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billyiddo said:
The further down the table/leagues you go the wider the pool of players there is that can improve you and the closer you are to the top the smaller that pool is and the more competition there is for them.
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So then it is even more important for us to have an effective structure in place for recruitment and succession planning. Liverpool have shown (early days I know) how it might be possible to lose an iconic manager, identify a replacement that matches with your vision and to almost seamlessly make the change. Even in terms of player recruitment they didn't panic when they lost out to Chelsea for the same targets.They quietly got on, identified and brought in similar quality targets, not stambouli for schneiderlin or nkoudou for whoever.

That's what we should be aiming for and I think for me that we haven't put that system in place was the biggest criticism of DL I have, as well as getting too involved in the actual deals. I thought we were getting there with the appointments of Munn and Lange. But their appointment of Ange, given his credentials seems as strange as any appointment by DL.
 
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Bullet said:
No, there's always been a big 3 or big 5 clubs that everyone aspires to be within, that is synonymous with success which is synonymous with big money i.e. finishing in the European places and preferably top 5 (CL). We were in the big 5 in the 90s and slipped further and further and further away and are clawing our way back desperately. The Cheats like Cheatski/Leeds/NewCash are/were a massive hinderance to our progress. You know all that though.
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Yeah big 5 sure. But he mentioned the Top 6, which is actual finishing positions. The top6 chat only became a thing in the last 4 or 5 years after we started consistently finishing in the top 4. Before then the Top 6 didn't exist hence me pulling him up on it.
 
billyiddo said:
It means the margin for error is smaller, especially when you are the smaller/less well resourced of those in that position. I'd like to see how we behave once in that position again - my guess is things will be different due to resources and there being a functioning scouting & transfer department in place - neither of which was the case previously.
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Without reviving old discussions, and forgetting Mane, Winaldjun, and players he wanted to bring in, Poch wanted to cycle/replace players such as Alderwiereld and Eriksen. They would've commanded big fees. I think we can speculate that what he wanted to do was not wholly dissimilar to what Klopp did with Coutinho. We continually did not make any of the moves he really wanted. Even in the summer of 2020 he wanted Fernandes, he thought he was coming, and somehow...whiff!

I know, we disagree. All good. But when it comes up I can't avoid passing comment LOL...don't let that make YOU a fisherman too my friend!!!
 
Robspur12 said:
So then it is even more important for us to have an effective structure in place for recruitment and succession planning. Liverpool have shown (early days I know) how it might be possible to lose an iconic manager, identify a replacement that matches with your vision and to almost seamlessly make the change. Even in terms of player recruitment they didn't panic when they lost out to Chelsea for the same targets.They quietly got on and identified and brought in similar quality targets, not stambouli for schneiderlin or nkoudou for whoever.

That's what we should be aiming for and I think for me that we haven't put that system in place was the biggest criticism of DL I have, as well as getting too involved in the actual deals. I thought we were getting there with the appointments of Munn and Lange. But their appointment of Ange, given his credentials seems as strange as any appointment by DL.
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Great post.
I was there when we smashed Liverpool 4-1 at Wembley. I believe Klopp used that result to his eternal advantage. It was a massive turning point as we were the dominant ascending club. Liverpool have been supremely smart since that game...
 
Bishop said:
No one gave a fudge about the top 6 15 years ago. Hell the top 4 only came into existence once the CL expanded so please, talking about the top 6 in the last 15 years is disengerous.
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You think most clubs wouldn't want to be in that position? You think they'd rather be languishing in Division 2 or something?
 
Batspur said:
I guess thats why the ceo chooses folks like Jose Moureeno and Antonio Conte? That tiny proportion of managers that did win stuff.

How did that work out?

Was it with a trophy or a stinging, public attack on Daniel Levy that he is a useless clam as they left?

Still. They were happy. They got paid off for the price of an Odobert or an N’jie. Cheap when you think about it.
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You've pointed out (although, I believe accidentally) that the problem is even greater than I stated.

Not only are there very few managers who can achieve what we want, but most of them can only achieve it for a small portion of their careers and with a club that's the right fit for them.

Not only does Levy have to dig out one of those few elite managers, he also has to find them at (or just before) their peak.
 
scaramanga said:
That doesn't change the fact that almost every single football club in existence would swap with us in a heartbeat.
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We’ve been an established top flight club for almost the entirety of our existence, we haven’t been relegated since the 1970s. Whilst the consistency we have shown over the last 10-15 years is an improvement from the previous 15 years (say 1990-2005), it’s not the extraordinary achievement that some try to paint it as. I suppose the question is are you happy staying the same as we are now, a club that typically finishes in the top half/top 6 but seldom really threatens to win anything.
 
metalgear said:
I think either would do well with the support that Ange has been given.
Have you watched how Conte has reinvented himself with attacking football after he left us?

I feel Levy is making a bigger mistake now funding inexperienced coaches.
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As long as that funding is coherent with the overall strategy in place, with the plans of Lange and Munn and their plans for what kind of manager will replace Ange at whatever point he's done here it's not a problem.

Part of the problem was funding experienced managers. Not because they were experienced, but because they were probably always going to be short term as almost all managers are.

Luckily we now have more long term planning and if Ange leaves this season at some point hopefully that long term thinking includes the next appointment.
 
thfcsteff said:
No. Keith Burkinshaw said it after we won the UEFA Cup in '84. I remember it clearly, as it was the first time I realised that boards and managers were not necessarily aligned.

As for Scholar, that man deserves his own thread. Not a black and white story by any measure...but certainly the good, the bad, amnd the ugly!
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Burkinshaw dodn't say it. The reporter said it burkinshaw just agreed.
 
Lilbaz said:
Burkinshaw dodn't say it. The reporter said it burkinshaw just agreed.
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I've heard it said both ways. All I can tell you is that at the time it was attributed to him; I remember reading it somewhere and it hitting me simply because I'd never heard a football manager 'say' anything like that. I was 16 at the time...
 
Bishop said:
Yeah big 5 sure. But he mentioned the Top 6, which is actual finishing positions. The top6 chat only became a thing in the last 4 or 5 years after we started consistently finishing in the top 4. Before then the Top 6 didn't exist hence me pulling him up on it.
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Incorrect, I think, weren’t we considered part of the “big 6 “ clubs that led the formation of the premier league back in the early 90’s?
 
Raziel said:
It was the Sky 4, when we started being regulars and City doped in, it became top 6.
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That came later. When the PL started there was the 'big 5' that I mentioned. The sky 4 came about after the champions league had expanded to four clubs and Chelsea had gatecrashed Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd's party with Ken Bates' overspending and then Abramovich's money.
 
Muttley said:
That one is easy. The club is massively over-valued by the owners. Who would invest in something where you can't increase your share?
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Not sure it is, the value I see rumoured is in line with what financial experts value us as in the press, give or take. The issue with buying Spurs versus other clubs is you have to buy the portfolio of property and plans, that's before the 3 x annual turnover calculations. That limits the market..........
 
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