Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Bedfordspurs]

If a board is being criticised very publicly for not supporting a club with signings, it is a benefit for the perception of said board to make a public display at trying to sign players. Unless you are suggesting Daniel Levy wasn't in Munich yesterday?

The benefit is, the PR machine can counter this perception saying "we tried to buy top players". I can list the negative coverage the spurs board have been getting recently (the overlap, most recently). Have you heard of PR?

I have no idea if he was in Munich
Do you know he was?
Is there a photo of him with a big fudge off Stein of beer in his hand? I’ve not seen one
What I do know is it’s the time of the window where fans get angry because not enough is being done even if stuff is being done that they don’t know about
Do you have a secret source that you cat share?

 

[Ron Burgess]

I have no idea if he was in Munich
Do you know he was?
Is there a photo of him with a big fudge off Stein of beer in his hand? I’ve not seen one
What I do know is it’s the time of the window where fans get angry because not enough is being done even if stuff is being done that they don’t know about
Do you have a secret source that you cat share?

You claimed there is no benefit in releasing information to the press. I brought up the importance of PR, that's the benefit you claimed doesn't exist. Now when criticised, the club can say they tried to sign X Y Z. PR and how an issue is spun in the press is big deal.

Regarding what I know, nothing about the January window but that most sources claim that Levy was in Munich negotiating yesterday. But you haven't seen a photo, so that means all that noise could be made up? I doubt it, but think that if you want.

I am not angry about players in January. I am angry about being 15th and ENIC in general.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

You claimed there is no benefit in releasing information to the press. I brought up the importance of PR, that's the benefit you claimed doesn't exist. Now when criticised, the club can say they tried to sign X Y Z. PR and how an issue is spun in the press is big deal.

Regarding what I know, nothing about the January window but that most sources claim that Levy was in Munich negotiating yesterday. But you haven't seen a photo, so that means all that noise could be made up? I doubt it, but think that if you want.

I am not angry about players in January. I am angry about being 15th and ENIC in general.

I will think what I want
I believe it’s a made up story myself
I do believe we wanted him and did the deal with Bayern
I don’t believe that the chairman would make any difference to a player joining and jump in the plane
I did see it reported by one person and then just retweeted
You of course can believe what you want , too

 

[DeanoAustin]

You claimed there is no benefit in releasing information to the press. I brought up the importance of PR, that's the benefit you claimed doesn't exist. Now when criticised, the club can say they tried to sign X Y Z. PR and how an issue is spun in the press is big deal.

Regarding what I know, nothing about the January window but that most sources claim that Levy was in Munich negotiating yesterday. But you haven't seen a photo, so that means all that noise could be made up? I doubt it, but think that if you want.

I am not angry about players in January. I am angry about being 15th and ENIC in general.

I’ve seen Levy hammered left, right and centre by Spurs fans since the Munich lad rejected us. Not sure how a failed deal does him any favours.

All of the initial reactions centred around “he won’t pay the money”, “sure we’re a mess under levy which is why he said no” or brick to that effect.

Was hilarious when the reports came out that he rejected us because he wasn’t guaranteed game time (and I’ve no idea if that’s actually true either).

None of us has a clue what goes on with these deals. If we get someone who fits into our long term plans, great. If we don’t, I won’t be losing my brick. Very few clubs are doing business in January.

 

[Bishop]

Yep.

It’s as comical as the idea, that the man who has run one of the most (un)successful clubs in Europe over the last quarter of a century, doesn’t understand football.

Fixed.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I’ve seen Levy hammered left, right and centre by Spurs fans since the Munich lad rejected us. Not sure how a failed deal does him any favours.

All of the initial reactions centred around “he won’t pay the money”, “sure we’re a mess under levy which is why he said no” or brick to that effect.

Was hilarious when the reports came out that he rejected us because he wasn’t guaranteed game time (and I’ve no idea if that’s actually true either).

None of us has a clue what goes on with these deals. If we get someone who fits into our long term plans, great. If we don’t, I won’t be losing my brick. Very few clubs are doing business in January.

We know everything because some bloke on twitter says so
They are the answers for everything now

 

[thfcsteff]

Not that uncommon for Levy to be involved in negotiations and that being reported.

As before things have leaked when deals are getting quite close. Same happened with Solanke and many others, just these deals didn't go through.

I'm assuming Lange is wherever he is doing his job...

I don't remember Levy being spotlit in any of Paratici's deals. And those were leaked like a sieve!

 

[thfcsteff]

Absolutely spot on. Daniel's manipulative queen of spin Donna Marie Cullen is all over this: "Let it out we are after Tel and Tomori, it will placate the fans". "Don't say profit Daniel, say sustainable".

Lange is renown for working quietly. Like how Obobert came out of nowhere. This being loud and public stinks of Donna and Daniel trying to get leverage after being tanked by the media for not supporting the club with signings. And again all of this isn't helping the team.

It's all about helping their own status and optics so they can carry on business as usual: charging the highest prices with the lowest wage to revenue ratio.

I've not had the gumption to name the name, needless to say agreed!

 

[thfcsteff]

I have no idea if he was in Munich
Do you know he was?
Is there a photo of him with a big fudge off Stein of beer in his hand? I’ve not seen one
What I do know is it’s the time of the window where fans get angry because not enough is being done even if stuff is being done that they don’t know about
Do you have a secret source that you cat share?

I'm not in the least bit angry (any more) I am actually resigned.
If we get someone worth it, great. If we don't, no surprises here.
I just think the whole charade is getting tedious.
IF we have a DoF in place, and if that DoF and a Chief Football Officer (Munn) for the purpose of letting them do their work and placing Daniel another few steps away from the process, then let-it-happen! Of course it won't do that when the speed bumps are hit and people are roaring 'Levy out'. He can't sack Postecoglu because he hasn't lost the dressing room and it would cost hiom approx 13 mill according to reports - plus none of the desired replacements available - so he is doing the next best thing in his eyes, 'deliverring' for the screaming hordes - except he isn't.
I am sure some (not you mate) will see this as 'anti-Levy' and that I am a 100% hater. I wrote a post some weeks back where I acknowledged what a brilliant job he's done on the business/commercial side - delivering the sort of results which frankly are way outside our expectation. However on the football side, it is this sort of nonsense which has people either wringing their hands or sighing and saying 'as it ever has been'...

 

[thfcsteff]

I’ve seen Levy hammered left, right and centre by Spurs fans since the Munich lad rejected us. Not sure how a failed deal does him any favours.

All of the initial reactions centred around “he won’t pay the money”, “sure we’re a mess under levy which is why he said no” or brick to that effect.

Was hilarious when the reports came out that he rejected us because he wasn’t guaranteed game time (and I’ve no idea if that’s actually true either).

None of us has a clue what goes on with these deals. If we get someone who fits into our long term plans, great. If we don’t, I won’t be losing my brick. Very few clubs are doing business in January.

Agreed. If only his name hadn't been circulated as The Closer (tm - starring Jason Statham as Daniel Levy) this would've been another nebulous and (as you rightly say) hard to substantiate process which didn't deliver. As for 'photo/not photo/was he there was he not' who knows, but again, when we add it to the leaks which told us Levy closed the deal to get Kinsky and the floated rumour that he 'wants Gomes' it's more mentions of him in a window at curious times than I remember. Look, if the system is set up this way OK, but we went big on declaring our Munn/Lange set-up so why not at least publicly like Lange take whatever credit (or simply not leak anything and just report the deals a la Gray) and keep Levy's name out of this end of it. I believe that he wants the credit, especially after sitting in a stadium that he (and Poch to a degree with CL football) uilt, hearing his name slagged off loudly. FWIW I wish we'd gather as a fan base and support the entire club to get through this period, regardless of who thinks what, but obviously that's utopian and naive thinking.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not in the least bit angry (any more) I am actually resigned.
If we get someone worth it, great. If we don't, no surprises here.
I just think the whole charade is getting tedious.
IF we have a DoF in place, and if that DoF and a Chief Football Officer (Munn) for the purpose of letting them do their work and placing Daniel another few steps away from the process, then let-it-happen! Of course it won't do that when the speed bumps are hit and people are roaring 'Levy out'. He can't sack Postecoglu because he hasn't lost the dressing room and it would cost hiom approx 13 mill according to reports - plus none of the desired replacements available - so he is doing the next best thing in his eyes, 'deliverring' for the screaming hordes - except he isn't.
I am sure some (not you mate) will see this as 'anti-Levy' and that I am a 100% hater. I wrote a post some weeks back where I acknowledged what a brilliant job he's done on the business/commercial side - delivering the sort of results which frankly are way outside our expectation. However on the football side, it is this sort of nonsense which has people either wringing their hands or sighing and saying 'as it ever has been'...

I have no idea if levy is being involved or not
I do think the football guys are employed to make the football calls
Whether they do or not… again, we dont know as fans
I’m not anti levy. I’m not pro levy
I think people focus on what they want too when it suits the situation
I had a convo with mate on Thursday
His word… the ground is meant to be a game changer
My answer was, well we’re spending more than we ever did before
His counter… but nothing has changed
My words… what were you expecting. We have broken the club record several times and that’s without too table football
But Emirates Marketing Project have just spent £150m… and that’s the kicker
No matter what we do, or not importantly right now, what we don’t, there is always someone better, richer, smarter, luckier
Levy is battling that as owner as best as he he can with his knowledge, but he is limited like any person is. So he has recruited a team who may or not be good. I don’t know yet and don’t think anyone does
What I do believe, sincerely, is that the club wing suddenly start doing it business in the public if they can avoid it. And I do know that there are many public “people of characters” who monetise stories

 

[Lost Mango]

Fixed.

Define your definition of unsuccessful?

The vast, vast majority of clubs haven't won their top divisional title or a European or domestic cup in the last 25 years.

The vast majority of those European clubs haven't been in 24 finals or semi-finals in the last 20 years but yeah we are one of the most unsuccessful club out there.

And it is all on Levy and Cullen.

Just wow.

People sit here and bitch about doped up clubs like Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea and how bad it has been for football but really just want us on the same gravy train because all that matters is silverware so they can be 'winners' themselves down the pub or at the water cooler.

The embarrassing comments about being 'embarrassed' at being a spurs fan say it all. Some divine right to be successful, some arrogant belief that they know better about the workings of a billion pound business and managing a top level football team. Yes it is a football forum but some of you need to get a grip on all this bile and self-loathing.

So we sack Ange and in 18 months time sack the next muppet. Levy sells up and still nothing changes because that is just how life is. Who you going to hate on then?

Maybe put yourselves in the shoes of the fans of the vast, vast number of truly unsuccessful clubs (by your metrics) who suck up all the brick and enjoy the moments of occasional joy.

 

[thfcsteff]

I have no idea if levy is being involved or not
I do think the football guys are employed to make the football calls
Whether they do or not… again, we dont know as fans
I’m not anti levy. I’m not pro levy
I think people focus on what they want too when it suits the situation
I had a convo with mate on Thursday
His word… the ground is meant to be a game changer
My answer was, well we’re spending more than we ever did before
His counter… but nothing has changed
My words… what were you expecting. We have broken the club record several times and that’s without too table football
But Emirates Marketing Project have just spent £150m… and that’s the kicker
No matter what we do, or not importantly right now, what we don’t, there is always someone better, richer, smarter, luckier
Levy is battling that as owner as best as he he can with his knowledge, but he is limited like any person is. So he has recruited a team who may or not be good. I don’t know yet and don’t think anyone does
What I do believe, sincerely, is that the club wing suddenly start doing it business in the public if they can avoid it. And I do know that there are many public “people of characters” who monetise stories

The only way we will find out is if he makes double-sure his name is out of the transfer process news.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The only way we will find out is if he makes double-sure his name is out of the transfer process news.

How though?
I suits the people who make money form transfer news to have him in it.

 

[thfcsteff]

How though?
I suits the people who make money form transfer news to have him in it.

OK. We clearly disagree on these sorts of specific detail. All good.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

OK. We clearly disagree on these sorts of specific detail. All good.

Of course
Do you think levy is genuinely jumping on a plane to Munich to convince a player to join
I’m far from convinced because it was reported by someone who makes his living out of it
Not even a German press guy as far as I recall
Anyone can stuck anything on a tweet and it’s unsolicited and unqualified
Hell look at the way it’s being used now to fix elections and churn out misinformation in the states

 

[thfcsteff]

Of course
Do you think levy is genuinely jumping on a plane to Munich to convince a player to join
I’m far from convinced because it was reported by someone who makes his living out of it
Not even a German press guy as far as I recall
Anyone can stuck anything on a tweet and it’s unsolicited and unqualified
Hell look at the way it’s being used now to fix elections and churn out misinformation in the states

Was he on a plane to Italy for Tomori? Was he on a plane for Muani? I mean, if clickbait is the game and Donald is the model, then why hasn't he been on more planes?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Was he on a plane to Italy for Tomori? Was he on a plane for Muani? I mean, if clickbait is the game and Donald is the model, then why hasn't he been on more planes?

Maybe he has
Maybe they didn’t feel the need to report it or make it up
We don’t know
It didn’t come out about kinky until afterwards

 

[Jurgen the German]

Define your definition of unsuccessful?

The vast, vast majority of clubs haven't won their top divisional title or a European or domestic cup in the last 25 years.

The vast majority of those European clubs haven't been in 24 finals or semi-finals in the last 20 years but yeah we are one of the most unsuccessful club out there.

And it is all on Levy and Cullen.

Just wow.

People sit here and bitch about doped up clubs like Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea and how bad it has been for football but really just want us on the same gravy train because all that matters is silverware so they can be 'winners' themselves down the pub or at the water cooler.

The embarrassing comments about being 'embarrassed' at being a spurs fan say it all. Some divine right to be successful, some arrogant belief that they know better about the workings of a billion pound business and managing a top level football team. Yes it is a football forum but some of you need to get a grip on all this bile and self-loathing.

So we sack Ange and in 18 months time sack the next muppet. Levy sells up and still nothing changes because that is just how life is. Who you going to hate on then?

Maybe put yourselves in the shoes of the fans of the vast, vast number of truly unsuccessful clubs (by your metrics) who suck up all the brick and enjoy the moments of occasional joy.

Can’t speak for Bishop but I’m sure the comment was tongue in cheek. It’s just as ridiculous to claim we have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last 25 years, unless you are looking purely at the financial side but I’m guessing none of us started following football or picked a team based on how has the healthiest balance sheet. Off the top of my head, I would say the below clubs have been far more successful than us to the point where it’s not even debatable:

City
United
Liverpool
Arsenal
Chelsea
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Atletico Madrid
Sevilla
Bayern
Dortmund
Leverkusen
PSG
Monaco
Lyon
Juve
AC Milan
Inter Milan
Napoli
Porto

That’s before you even mention contentious clubs like Leicester who are a yo-yo club but have actually won a league title and an FA Cup in the last 10 years. But to say we have been one of the most successful clubs is ridiculous when you consider what “success” means ie trophies.

 

[DubSpur]

That one is different though. That is not the player trading skillset. I think Levy is a probably a good guy for that role actually with his tenure and knowledge of running a club.

It's not different though. You need the relationship with the other chairmen. If you have tinkled them off they ain't going to vote for you. They must also believe he has some negotiating ability as he will deal with UEFA etc as well.