Daniel Levy - Chairman

[scaramanga]

No obviously the scale comes into it and you're just using an extreme comparison that actually doesn't correspond well to Finney'point. But the following "well run, recruitment structure with great succession planning," are needed in any sporting organization irrespective of size. It's hard to argue that we have got it right at Spurs where the success is almost completely down to whichever manager is in charge at the time.

What proportion of professional managers are capable of getting a side (any side without dirty oil money) into the top 4 of the PL regularly?

Compare that to the proportion of managers that can keep a financially stable team in the PL.

It's exponentially more difficult to do what we want to do than what they do.

 

[glorygloryeze]

I'm happy to employ him until the summer to get us out of the brick. He'd have to prove a lot to get a long term contract here.

It is an obvious exaggeration, but that's to prove the point. It is obviously more difficult to do the job when scale and ambition increases. Just like being a successful manager in Scotland doesn't mean those skills will translate into grown up football.

You could say the same for any mangerial appointment. In fact, we've hired managers who've been successful before AND after us but failed when with us.

So it's true on different levels...to the point where you then start to wonder if the problem isn't really the managers...but that's another tangent...

 

[Finney Is Back]

So if they're irrelevant, the person recruiting for a newsagent should easily be able to run the recruitment for M&S, right?

Seems to me that the person doing our recruitment couldn't run it for either M&S or a newsagent.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I'm happy to employ him until the summer to get us out of the brick. He'd have to prove a lot to get a long term contract here.

It is an obvious exaggeration, but that's to prove the point. It is obviously more difficult to do the job when scale and ambition increases. Just like being a successful manager in Scotland doesn't mean those skills will translate into grown up football.

So you're actually agreeing with me that our recruitment planning and execution is poor?

 

[Finney Is Back]

What proportion of professional managers are capable of getting a side (any side without dirty oil money) into the top 4 of the PL regularly?

Compare that to the proportion of managers that can keep a financially stable team in the PL.

It's exponentially more difficult to do what we want to do than what they do.

We've found two such managers (albeit quite a few managers ago now).... yet we sacked both of them!

 

[scaramanga]

So you're actually agreeing with me that our recruitment planning and execution is poor?

I wouldn't have employed him but I can see why someone would.

He says and does all the right things, from there it's just a matter of risk profile. Too much risk for mine and I wouldn't be betting my money on an appointment like that.

 

[scaramanga]

We've found two such managers (albeit quite a few managers ago now).... yet we sacked both of them!

We sacked them when they failed. Would you prefer the alternative?

 

[Surfless]

Might be tldr for some but this is hard to disagree with....

 

[Finney Is Back]

I wouldn't have employed him but I can see why someone would.

He says and does all the right things, from there it's just a matter of risk profile. Too much risk for mine and I wouldn't be betting my money on an appointment like that.

You've spent the past GHod knows how many months deriding the fact that winning in Asia and Scotland isn't anything like a CV to get a job managing Spurs. You need to pick a side. Either that argument of yours is correct or the recruitment and continuity planning at Spurs is poor.

 

[Finney Is Back]

We sacked them when they failed. Would you prefer the alternative?

No. We sacked Redknapp because Levy had a hissy fit because the manager had the audacity to want a new contract after he didn't get the England gig.

We sacked Pochettino because it was cheaper to hire Mourinho who said we didn't need a squad rebuild that keep Pochettino who was demanding one.

 

[scaramanga]

You've spent the past GHod knows how many months deriding the fact that winning in Asia and Scotland isn't anything like a CV to get a job managing Spurs. You need to pick a side. Either that argument of yours is correct or the recruitment and continuity planning at Spurs is poor.

That's what I mean by risk profile.

The only way to know if he can make the step up is for a serious club to employ him. I think that's too much risk, but there will be some managers somewhere who have just not been noticed or picked up yet.

Obviously with the higher risk comes a higher reward, but we're currently seeing the down side to that risk.

 

[Finney Is Back]

That's what I mean by risk profile.

The only way to know if he can make the step up is for a serious club to employ him. I think that's too much risk, but there will be some managers somewhere who have just not been noticed or picked up yet.

Obviously with the higher risk comes a higher reward, but we're currently seeing the down side to that risk.

So you agree that our recruitment and continuity planning is poor?

 

[scaramanga]

So you agree that our recruitment and continuity planning is poor?

No, of course not.

I think Levy has a greater risk profile than mine when appointing managers.

Fact is, finding a manager who can do what we need them to do is almost impossible. Better to keep churning through them until we get the right one.

 

[scaramanga]

No. We sacked Redknapp because Levy had a hissy fit because the manager had the audacity to want a new contract after he didn't get the England gig.

We sacked Pochettino because it was cheaper to hire Mourinho who said we didn't need a squad rebuild that keep Pochettino who was demanding one.

Redknapp failed to get us into the CL.

Poch had performances worsening for a year before Levy finally pulled the trigger. His only mistake was taking too long.

 

[ShelfLife]

No, of course not.

I think Levy has a greater risk profile than mine when appointing managers.

Fact is, finding a manager who can do what we need them to do is almost impossible. Better to keep churning through them until we get the right one.

Interesting perspective. What makes succeeding in the Spurs role distinctly 'almost impossible' comparative to other clubs?

 

[Raziel]

Might be tldr for some but this is hard to disagree with.... View attachment 18591

The absolute stupidity of the average person

- Oh, the horror, the only value the CEO brought was an increase in value to the shareholders from 50M to 3B+

So much outright fudging idiocy in that statement
- 6 senior executives? they think a manager/coach is a senior executive?
- Shareholders are losing patience? really with the fact that their asset has appreciated? or that they are the only fudging club in the PL in the last 3 years that has made a profit?

Tottenham Hotspurs as a business is amazingly successful, the "shareholders" are fudging fine with that. The constant comparison to a business and trying to portray it as a failure is laughable, it is a business and it's fine.

Being angry as a fan with the results, you are entitled to but this conversation is as useful as you saying you don't like Starbucks decision to change their store, and because you buy a coffee twice a week, the CEO should go

 

[scaramanga]

Interesting perspective. What makes succeeding in the Spurs role distinctly 'almost impossible' comparative to other clubs?

Our target is the top but we're competing against financially doped teams and two (Utd/Liverpool) that have a global fan base we'll struggle to match.

If FFP ever gets implemented properly then things may change. But currently, it's an almost impossible task.

 

[Bishop]

The absolute stupidity of the average person

- Oh, the horror, the only value the CEO brought was an increase in value to the shareholders from 50M to 3B+

So much outright fudging idiocy in that statement
- 6 senior executives? they think a manager/coach is a senior executive?
- Shareholders are losing patience? really with the fact that their asset has appreciated? or that they are the only fudging club in the PL in the last 3 years that has made a profit?

Tottenham Hotspurs as a business is amazingly successful, the "shareholders" are fudging fine with that. The constant comparison to a business and trying to portray it as a failure is laughable, it is a business and it's fine.

Being angry as a fan with the results, you are entitled to but this conversation is as useful as you saying you don't like Starbucks decision to change their store, and because you buy a coffee twice a week, the CEO should go

Alas as a football club (the primary point of the "business" we are not.)

 

[glorygloryeze]

The absolute stupidity of the average person

- Oh, the horror, the only value the CEO brought was an increase in value to the shareholders from 50M to 3B+

So much outright fudging idiocy in that statement
- 6 senior executives? they think a manager/coach is a senior executive?
- Shareholders are losing patience? really with the fact that their asset has appreciated? or that they are the only fudging club in the PL in the last 3 years that has made a profit?

Tottenham Hotspurs as a business is amazingly successful, the "shareholders" are fudging fine with that. The constant comparison to a business and trying to portray it as a failure is laughable, it is a business and it's fine.

Being angry as a fan with the results, you are entitled to but this conversation is as useful as you saying you don't like Starbucks decision to change their store, and because you buy a coffee twice a week, the CEO should go

"There used to be a football club over there"...

 

[ShelfLife]

Our target is the top but we're competing against financially doped teams and two (Utd/Liverpool) that have a global fan base we'll struggle to match.

If FFP ever gets implemented properly then things may change. But currently, it's an almost impossible task.

Presumably the same criteria would apply to the likes of Arsenal and Villa (and arguably even Chelsea) now?

I think one valid criticism could made around the fact that there are clubs with lesser resources and smaller fan bases who have demonstrated that the less is more approach can work when there is a distinct strategy in place (at least to a point). With those clubs having arguably achieved what we're striving for (which based on your description would be to consistently punch above our weight) relative to their own standings. Brighton being the obvious example.