Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Finney Is Back]

Totally.

But you have to also admit that Poch’s signings that summer - well over 100m with Le Celco - were a massive failure. Or you thought they were good signings?

They ended up being failures under a subsequent string of defensive, anti-football managers yes.

I’m still laughing at you saying Poch was sacked due to his signings that summer being failures. That’s some crystal ball Levy has, if only he could put it to better use….

 

[Bedfordspurs]

They ended up being failures under a subsequent string of defensive, anti-football managers yes.

I’m still laughing at you saying Poch was sacked due to his signings that summer being failures. That’s some crystal ball Levy has, if only he could put it to better use….

They were great signings that didn’t work

 

[Finney Is Back]

My point is/was we are absolutely capable of paying eye watering amounts for both salaries (and clearly pay-outs)

Honestly don't know re Slot (IIRC was a lot of conflicting reports at time), Nagelsman you might be 100% right, but think it was more than that (one, he was technically fired at time, Bayern was trying to not do their payout, he got interviewed by a number of clubs and nobody went for him, so not sure that's a just us).

Is the payout going to be a holdback? maybe, but again, lets look at the most obvious target

- Iriola is reportedly earning 1M/yr on a contract till 2026, do we really feel if Levy felt the pressure to change Ange, we wouldn't pay 2-3M to buy him out?

My point is (and I accept your counter/concern that historically we haven't paid buy out fees that either of us know/remember), there seems to be some weird view that if we change Ange, it's impossible for Spurs to get another equivalent/better manager, yet

- Like them or not, suited or not, Conte/Jose were big names
- Your data shows we pay well (on the way out of door included)
- Managers take risk even at obvious fudged up clubs, see Poch at Chelsea, Amorim right now risking his future at United (with yes a higher profile club, but in a way worse state and far less suited to him)

Honestly if we don't have an alternative at some reasonably developed stage of validation right now, that's a huge fudge up on the part of Munn, Lange and Levy.

If we pay eye watering salaries then how did we end up employing Nuno and Postecoglou? Why did so many managers turn us down prior to us appointing those two? Also why couldn’t we attract Conte in the summer, only managing to get him later in the year?

You’re right about Jose, he WAS a big name, emphasis on the word was. He’d already proven how toxic he was at both Chelsea and Man Utd but Daniel knows best!

 

[Raziel]

WTF?…. Levy was trying to appease Kane by appointing Nuno as manager?!?

I meant in the firing and getting Conte (my bad if it didn't come across that way)

That would’ve been part of his compromise agreement.

Jesus mate, sometimes it's ok to jus agree Nuno is a decent guy ..

 

[Finney Is Back]

I meant in the firing and getting Conte (my bad if it didn't come across that way)



Jesus mate, sometimes it's ok to jus agree Nuno is a decent guy ..

If he was trying to appease Kane then i think he would’ve pushed the boat out to get Conte in the summer instead of only doing so when the Levy/ENIC out chants were getting very loud in the stadium under Nuno.

I think Nuno is a lovely guy and am really glad he is doing so well at Forest and restoring his reputation after the main man at Spurs treated him so badly. I’m just pointing out that his compromise agreement will contain clauses stopping him from speaking out against THFC.

 

[thfcsteff]

If we pay eye watering salaries then how did we end up employing Nuno and Postecoglou? Why did so many managers turn us down prior to us appointing those two? Also why couldn’t we attract Conte in the summer, only managing to get him later in the year?

You’re right about Jose, he WAS a big name, emphasis on the word was. He’d already proven how toxic he was at both Chelsea and Man Utd but Daniel knows best!

As has been said several times in this parish - I believe we're in agreement - Mourinho was a specific thing for Daniel. I actually think Mourinho took Daniel to the cleaners. He over-promised knowing that if he failed he could simply lump it back on the club. HE knew we wouldn't back him the way he needed to be backed for instant success, his jedi trick was fooling some people into believing he was a 'changed guy' after his Man Utd stint.

 

[SpurMeUp]

They ended up being failures under a subsequent string of defensive, anti-football managers yes.

I’m still laughing at you saying Poch was sacked due to his signings that summer being failures. That’s some crystal ball Levy has, if only he could put it to better use….

There is some justice to it, even though no one knew then how poor these players would be.

What you are unable to admit is that had Poch had real talent available consummate with two 60m talents, and they’d hit the ground running, our performances wouldn’t have been so bad. And Poch would have been fine. So yes, indirectly Nodombele, Le Celco and Sess effectively cost Poch his job because they weakened Pochs squad. And a manager is only as good as the players he can play.

 

[Gazza]

Totally.

But you have to also admit that Poch’s signings that summer - well over 100m with Le Celco - were a massive failure. Or you thought they were good signings?

Everyone was spaffing over ndombele hailed as dembele and toure rolled into one player … he probably was the same size after he signed. But you know who you are the experts that “regularly” watch French football ete were on one and then signing lo celso was exactly the same … the reviews came with their customary YouTube highlights and drama of what they would do for the team.

They were lauded as exactly what we needed

 

[Bishop]

There is some justice to it, even though no one knew then how poor these players would be.

What you are unable to admit is that had Poch had real talent available consummate with two 60m talents, and they’d hit the ground running, our performances wouldn’t have been so bad. And Poch would have been fine. So yes, indirectly Nodombele, Le Celco and Sess effectively cost Poch his job because they weakened Pochs squad. And a manager is only as good as the players he can play.

My friend you keep ignoring the fact that two of those three arrived injured and were not available for the majority of games. Maybe if they were available the start to the season would have been better but he only had the one player available for the majority of that season and then that player got injured as well.

 

[Batspur]

I agree 100% re: Nuno. It was awful. He showed (and has shown) enormous dignity. I am happy for him to be getting respect again (albeit I think Forest are a poor watch!)...

14m and an NDA will grant that enormous dignity.

Nuno sums up levy. The clueless clam. Nuno was sacked by wolves for being utterly useless. The club and he covered it by saying he was taking time off to spend with his family. He wanted time out of England and to concentrate on his family etc. he needed a two year break. Levy couldn't get a manager who would be a patsy for him so he finally approached this prune and got him to sign. He was useless. Probably the most useless manager we've had in our history.

Nuno was brick as predicted. Albeit more brick than predicted and got 14m to fudge off.

Again. This all comes down to one man. Our little dictator. Zero responsibility for spunking our money. Zero accountability.

 

[Muttley]

WTF?…. Levy was trying to appease Kane by appointing Nuno as manager?!?

Surely the other way round.

Kane stuck a middle finger up to his manager and the entire fan base by staying in Miami and not returning for pre-season. That is after a summer of his joke of a brother trying to pretend he was a super-agent and get his client to Emirates Marketing Project.

Levy ate both the Kanes up for breakfast, but the collateral damage was unfortunately to Nuno. He couldn't win. If he'd have thrown Harry to train with the kids, then he would have got slaughtered. If he put him straight back in the team then he'd have fans like me on his case.

As Steff said, Nuno is a very classy man. He managed the entire Spurs episode with dignity. Nuno couldn't fix what was broken at Spurs from the chairman down to the player power. Kane was one of the bad eggs.

This is also why we should think very carefully about letting Ange go. Every player knows who is in charge, and Ange will happily give Levy, Munn or Lange a slap if they deserve it. It's important to have a string leader.

 

[Muttley]

They were great signings that didn’t work

It also bugs me that it is always Ndombele AND Lo Celso. Tarred with the same brush.

Gio was a model pro, a hard trainer and was never given a fair chance by our managers. He was bought to play in a Poch progressive football system and ended up with Jose, Nuno and Conte. We treated him badly and I'm so glad he's loving life again and showing the world his talents.

Ndombele did join the club injured and Jose gave him the impossible task of fill the chasm between our midfield and attack. We had deep defenders and lazy forwards and for a while he did his best. Unfortunately, then his natural attitude problems came in and everything since he has brought on himself.

 

[Baleforce]

It also bugs me that it is always Ndombele AND Lo Celso. Tarred with the same brush.

Gio was a model pro, a hard trainer and was never given a fair chance by our managers. He was bought to play in a Poch progressive football system and ended up with Jose, Nuno and Conte. We treated him badly and I'm so glad he's loving life again and showing the world his talents.

Ndombele did join the club injured and Jose gave him the impossible task of fill the chasm between our midfield and attack. We had deep defenders and lazy forwards and for a while he did his best. Unfortunately, then his natural attitude problems came in and everything since he has brought on himself.

Yeah, I like GLC a lot, his work rate defensively was first class.

 

[SpurMeUp]

My friend you keep ignoring the fact that two of those three arrived injured and were not available for the majority of games. Maybe if they were available the start to the season would have been better but he only had the one player available for the majority of that season and then that player got injured as well.

You’re just confirming that they were a disaster. And Poch had a worse squad.

 

[Bishop]

You’re just confirm that they were a disaster. And Poch had a worse squad.

We all know they turned out to be disasters, but we didn't know at the time and couldn't know. Lo Celso arrived injured and was fit only 5 games before Poch was sacked. Sessengnon also arrived injured and wasn't fully fit until after Poch was fired.

Ndombele was the only one available at the start of the season and he actually started well and then guess what, he picked up an injury and again wasn't fit until after Poch was fired. So we never really had Ndombele and Lo Celso available and fit at the same time under Poch.

So I don't really understand the narrative you're trying to run. There was no way Levy had evaluated the 3 players and determined that they were disaster signings and subsequently sacked Poch.

 

[SpurMeUp]

We all know they turned out to be disasters, but we didn't know at the time and couldn't know. Lo Celso arrived injured and was fit only 5 games before Poch was sacked. Sessengnon also arrived injured and wasn't fully fit until after Poch was fired.

Ndombele was the only one available at the start of the season and he actually started well and then guess what, he picked up an injury and again wasn't fit until after Poch was fired. So we never really had Ndombele and Lo Celso available and fit at the same time under Poch.

So I don't really understand the narrative you're trying to run. There was no way Levy had evaluated the 3 players and determined that they were disaster signings and subsequently sacked Poch.

What is so hard to understand? You’re confirming that these players were not available to Poch. They were a disaster. Our results suffered as a consequence. What don’t you get there?

 

[Baleforce]

What is so hard to understand? You’re confirming that these players were not available to Poch. They were a disaster. Our results suffered as a consequence. What don’t you get there?

Results at the start of that season weren’t any worse than the end of the season before.

It was already broken beyond repair.

 

[Finney Is Back]

There is some justice to it, even though no one knew then how poor these players would be.

What you are unable to admit is that had Poch had real talent available consummate with two 60m talents, and they’d hit the ground running, our performances wouldn’t have been so bad. And Poch would have been fine. So yes, indirectly Nodombele, Le Celco and Sess effectively cost Poch his job because they weakened Pochs squad. And a manager is only as good as the players he can play.

Lol.... You're still persisting with this nonsense?

 

[Finney Is Back]

You’re just confirming that they were a disaster. And Poch had a worse squad.

I think he is just confirming that they were injured and the manager got sacked before he could integrate them (again - comes back to a really poor job done by the man at the top).

 

[Finney Is Back]

What is so hard to understand? You’re confirming that these players were not available to Poch. They were a disaster. Our results suffered as a consequence. What don’t you get there?

I think it is you finding it hard to understand. You have claimed that the reason Pochettino got sacked was because 3 signings made under him in the summer before he got sacked were disasters, when it was absolutely impossible to know whether they were good or bad signings at the point he got sacked. I think you are completely on your own with that narrative.