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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Finney Is Back said:
I think it is you finding it hard to understand. You have claimed that the reason Pochettino got sacked was because 3 signings made under him in the summer before he got sacked were disasters, when it was absolutely impossible to know whether they were good or bad signings at the point he got sacked. I think you are completely on your own with that narrative.
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Poch got sacked cause results were brick.
 
Lilbaz said:
Poch got sacked cause results were brick.
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I'd agree with you there. Results had suffered but that is because the squad had been allowed to go terribly stale and then the manager didn't even get the benefit of the paltry 3 new players that had been brought in.

The big issue was that the chairman really should've given him the time to go through a rebuild. Pochettino had earned the right IMO.

Europa, CL, CL, CL, CL under Pochettino.
Since then: Europa, Conference League, CL, no Europe, and whatever we end up with this season (conference league at very best I'd say) with a whole heap of money wasted on paying managers off.

I think Levy is getting what he deserves.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think it is you finding it hard to understand. You have claimed that the reason Pochettino got sacked was because 3 signings made under him in the summer before he got sacked were disasters, when it was absolutely impossible to know whether they were good or bad signings at the point he got sacked. I think you are completely on your own with that narrative.
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Happy New Year sweetheart. Seems quite simple to me.
 
Lilbaz said:
Poch got sacked cause results were brick.
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I think that’s only part of the story.
Who carries what portion of the blame we will probably never know but I think the relationship had broken down.
If the results had went south the season for instance I don't think levy pulls the plug so quick.
The real tragedy is not the sacking, it's the fracture in what appeared to be a very solid relationship.
 
glasgowspur said:
I think that’s only part of the story.
Who carries what portion of the blame we will probably never know but I think the relationship had broken down.
If the results had went south the season for instance I don't think levy pulls the plug so quick.
The real tragedy is not the sacking, it's the fracture in what appeared to be a very solid relationship.
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fudge knows why I answer these things, but you are correct, it was the results +other things (some of which can be reasonably deducted if you dig far enough)

I'll take it from the perspective of a senior manager with an underperforming employee

- How bad are the results?
- What are the mitigating circumstances?
- Has the employee acknowledged the issue?
- Does the employee want to continue/fight to fix it (burn out/motivation is real)?
- Does the employee have a plan or can come up with a plan to fix it given help?
- Do others in teams around/required for employee's success still want to work with them?

If we use the Conte example, the answer to probably the last 4 questions was no. And on top of that it's always the risk conversation, i.e. risk of staying vs. change.
 
glasgowspur said:
I think that’s only part of the story.
Who carries what portion of the blame we will probably never know but I think the relationship had broken down.
If the results had went south the season for instance I don't think levy pulls the plug so quick.
The real tragedy is not the sacking, it's the fracture in what appeared to be a very solid relationship.
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Never ever ever shiould we underestimate Mourinho's role in sniffing the path back to the spotlight via Levy's infatuation with him. I will never forget him saying he could do better with that squad, and less than three months later crashing out to Leipzig in the CL knock-outs without a fart's resistence.
 
thfcsteff said:
Never ever ever shiould we underestimate Mourinho's role in sniffing the path back to the spotlight via Levy's infatuation with him. I will never forget him saying he could do better with that squad, and less than three months later crashing out to Leipzig in the CL knock-outs without a fart's resistence.
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he objectively did do better with that squad

look at the PL PPG in the 6 months either side of the switch

at the time of his sacking, almost mid way through the season, Poch had three PL wins, Jose managed that in a fortnight
 
Batspur said:
14m and an NDA will grant that enormous dignity.

Nuno sums up levy. The clueless clam. Nuno was sacked by wolves for being utterly useless. The club and he covered it by saying he was taking time off to spend with his family. He wanted time out of England and to concentrate on his family etc. he needed a two year break. Levy couldn't get a manager who would be a patsy for him so he finally approached this prune and got him to sign. He was useless. Probably the most useless manager we've had in our history.

Nuno was brick as predicted. Albeit more brick than predicted and got 14m to fudge off.

Again. This all comes down to one man. Our little dictator. Zero responsibility for spunking our money. Zero accountability.
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As both Mourinho and Conte have shown, pay-offs and NDAs can still be navigated if someone wants to be a c-u-n-t.
Nuno has behaved supremely well.
 
Baleforce said:
he objectively did do better with that squad

look at the PL PPG in the 6 months either side of the switch

at the time of his sacking, almost mid way through the season, Poch had three PL wins, Jose managed that in a fortnight
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Forgive me, did I miss something? Did we qualify for the CL at the end of that season? Did he get us through any CL knock-out stages? He did not do better by any measure (other than your three win metric).
Here's a run of results for you!

Dec 28th 2019 - Norwich h - 2-2
Jan 1 2020 - Soton A 0-1
Jan 11 - Liverpool H 0-1
Jan 18 - Watford H 0-0

We then won three games on the spin, then lost two games on the spin, then covid.

FWIW, mid-November is (by my calculation -and I am a brick maths man so hold me to it if I am wrong!) is 3 months in. Let's give it an extra couple of weeks and say 3.5 months in. Mourinho had more than half a season.

It is ground nearly as old and pointless as my claims to have been the Glenn Hoddle of Kingston back in '81, but Poch dealt with a lot of brick in that final season+, including being 'homeless' for an extra two-thirds of a season, not getting the cycle of players he wanted at vital times, and ultimately being baited and switched in summer 2019 - Nov 2019.

Mourinho said he could do better with that squad. He never did. That's a fact.

(n.b. not that I need to say this as I am sure it is clear, but I have never, ever liked him, thus any accusation of confirmation bias, or just plain bias against the fudging prick, is absolutelky fair and I accept it...I still think the facts bear me out BUT yes, I don't like him and that must influence me somewhere...)
 
thfcsteff said:
Forgive me, did I miss something? Did we qualify for the CL at the end of that season? Did he get us through any CL knock-out stages? He did not do better by any measure (other than your three win metric).
Here's a run of results for you!

Dec 28th 2019 - Norwich h - 2-2
Jan 1 2020 - Soton A 0-1
Jan 11 - Liverpool H 0-1
Jan 18 - Watford H 0-0

We then won three games on the spin, then lost two games on the spin, then covid.

FWIW, mid-November is (by my calculation -and I am a brick maths man so hold me to it if I am wrong!) is 3 months in. Let's give it an extra couple of weeks and say 3.5 months in. Mourinho had more than half a season.

It is ground nearly as old and pointless as my claims to have been the Glenn Hoddle of Kingston back in '81, but Poch dealt with a lot of brick in that final season+, including being 'homeless' for an extra two-thirds of a season, not getting the cycle of players he wanted at vital times, and ultimately being baited and switched in summer 2019 - Nov 2019.

Mourinho said he could do better with that squad. He never did. That's a fact.
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I strongly disagree, the squad we had that season, Jose got a higher PPG from than Poch, just like he said he would.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'd agree with you there. Results had suffered but that is because the squad had been allowed to go terribly stale and then the manager didn't even get the benefit of the paltry 3 new players that had been brought in.

The big issue was that the chairman really should've given him the time to go through a rebuild. Pochettino had earned the right IMO.

Europa, CL, CL, CL, CL under Pochettino.
Since then: Europa, Conference League, CL, no Europe, and whatever we end up with this season (conference league at very best I'd say) with a whole heap of money wasted on paying managers off.

I think Levy is getting what he deserves.
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If I recall correctly, I believe Pochettino didn't help matters with some of his comments and the book in CL final season. He gave indications that he wanted to leave.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I'd agree with you there. Results had suffered but that is because the squad had been allowed to go terribly stale and then the manager didn't even get the benefit of the paltry 3 new players that had been brought in.

The big issue was that the chairman really should've given him the time to go through a rebuild. Pochettino had earned the right IMO.

Europa, CL, CL, CL, CL under Pochettino.
Since then: Europa, Conference League, CL, no Europe, and whatever we end up with this season (conference league at very best I'd say) with a whole heap of money wasted on paying managers off.

I think Levy is getting what he deserves.
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But the thing with the Poch had earned the right argument was that he himself looked a shadow of the man he was, and that in tandem with shocking performances meant that there was just no indication that he had it in him to stomach such a rebuild. The comments he were making were getting more and more ridiculous, Levy would have the inside track on how he was feeling and who knows perhaps Poch indicated to Levy in some way he was done?

I don't think it was wrong to part ways either way, even though I agree he'd earned the right to rebuild. What I will say is that considering what has happened since his tenure, I didn't appreciate 1) just how good a job he did 2) How much of a problem ENIC are for our aspirations of dining at the very top table....
 
harr1984 said:
But the thing with the Poch had earned the right argument was that he himself looked a shadow of the man he was, and that in tandem with shocking performances meant that there was just no indication that he had it in him to stomach such a rebuild. The comments he were making were getting more and more ridiculous, Levy would have the inside track on how he was feeling and who knows perhaps Poch indicated to Levy in some way he was done?

I don't think it was wrong to part ways either way, even though I agree he'd earned the right to rebuild. What I will say is that considering what has happened since his tenure, I didn't appreciate 1) just how good a job he did 2) How much of a problem ENIC are for our aspirations of dining at the very top table....
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All fair and good points mate.
 
harr1984 said:
But the thing with the Poch had earned the right argument was that he himself looked a shadow of the man he was, and that in tandem with shocking performances meant that there was just no indication that he had it in him to stomach such a rebuild. The comments he were making were getting more and more ridiculous, Levy would have the inside track on how he was feeling and who knows perhaps Poch indicated to Levy in some way he was done?

I don't think it was wrong to part ways either way, even though I agree he'd earned the right to rebuild. What I will say is that considering what has happened since his tenure, I didn't appreciate 1) just how good a job he did 2) How much of a problem ENIC are for our aspirations of dining at the very top table....
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What is it about Poch's skyrocketing career since leaving us that leads you to believe he was the reason behind our success?
 
afsoc4life said:
If I recall correctly, I believe Pochettino didn't help matters with some of his comments and the book in CL final season. He gave indications that he wanted to leave.
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You mean the book where he told the world that everything he does is down to superstition and random chance, rather than carefully curated knowledge and wisdom?
 
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